Do conservatives still respect the police?

Of course you would agree. You espouse the same drivel. Doesn't make it less BS.

 

Who was in the wrong in your opinion? Breanna Taylor or Ashli Babbit?

 

Stupid question. First off your premise is idiotic.

 

Then please feel free to go post in a different thread.

 

I've got several posts saying that Babbit got what she deserved. I would have shot her too if she had been breaking into my place. Look em up if you don't believe me.

As for Breonna Taylor, both her boyfriend, who thought his place was being broken into by criminals because he didn't hear the police identify themselves, and the police who shot back was in the right. Both have a right to self defense. What happened there was a tragedy. But neither side was in the wrong.

 

Her boyfriend was a dope dealer correct? That explains the no knock warrant police get a no knock warrant when they feel that the person on the other side of the door represent a threat.

Is her boyfriend shoot at the police first I seem to remember hearing of that?

 

Yes, the boyfriend did shoot first. However he thought his place was being invaded by criminals. He did not know that they were police because he did not hear them identify themselves. Both sides did nothing wrong.

 

Well if what I heard is true, I had a no knock warrant because he was a known drug dealer.

In that case it makes sense that police were not knock on the door and announce themselves and make an easy target of their self

 

Except that they did knock. And they did identify themselves. They admit that.

 

And the boyfriend started shooting anyways?

So why the hell is anyone surprise with the outcome?

 

So are you planning on continuing to ignore the fact that her boyfriend was a dope dealer and that's why there was a no knock warrant and that he was shooting at them?

That's already been pointed out to you and you continue to ignore that which tells me that it's not ignorance of The facts of the case but an agenda you are promoting.

When is the last time there was a riot over a white person being shot by the police?

 

I don't get that, the January 6th RIOT made no difference.

 

You might want to do some internet comment section reading, even on this forum. Your fellow conservatives are not nearly in line with your views the way your post assumes they are. They are doing the same flip-flopping you just accused left-wingers of doing(and I would agree that some left-wingers have themselves flipped from being outraged by police shootings to dismissing this one in the same way some right-wingers usually dismiss them).

 

The choices in this poll are too limited. There needs to be an option that describes a person whose support depends upon the politics of the thing in question. That's what's driving the conservative versus liberal reactions to Ashli Babbitt, which themselves are just a flip-flop of the normal police shooting debate dichotomy where the right-wingers blindly defend the police no matter what they've done and the left-wingers blindly absolve the person that gets shot for their role in getting themselves shot.

 

I support law and order, and the Constitution, and I fully support those police who enforce the law while protecting and defending the Constitution, and the rights of the people for which they serve. There are, however, too many cases where police overstep their authority and violate the rights of the people who they are supposed to be serving.

So, do I support the police? That is not a question that can be answered so simply, because not all police conduct themselves honorably.

 

How did they get this no-knock warrant anyway?

 

From what I understand, the police were looking for a suspect who they thought was at Breonna's apartment. They were able to get the no-knock warrent based on that. But, the person the police were looking for wasn't even there.
The Governor of Kentucky signed a law, a year after Breonna's death, putting restrictions on the use of no-knock warrants. I believe they should be illegal, period.

 

"Not all police conduct themselves honorably".
Thank you. I agree.

 

The Ashli Bobbit thing may be just that sort. The woman was foolish and got herself shot but the cop could have just grabbed her and a nothing but a good strong talking to (with maybe a court date later on) might have been the result. OTOH there were 40 thousand people there and just a few hundreds of police so who's to say what the cop thought was necessary.

I have to say I thought the US Capitol would have the whole damned Army actively defending it all the time but it doesn't

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...ards-role-was-limited-during-us-capitol-riot/

 

Yeh, but that's for courts to determine later. The citizen's duty is to follow the policeman's orders peaceably

 

Citizens have no "duty" to comply with unlawful orders. Police, on the other hand have a duty to uphold and defend the Constitution, which they all took an oath to do. That said, it's in your best interest to comply no matter what, because even if your surviving family wins the resultant lawsuit, you will still have lost.

 

Thanks for the shout out. I'd like to add that I am not sharing my experiences for the purpose of discounting other people's views. I am and have always been willing to hear other people out and I'm human. therefore fallible and many people have experiences as or with officers that could probably share some hard-to-hear details.

Looking back, I think the drunk driver that hit my car and left me for dead was an, albeit difficult time but, a blessing in disguise. I was not willing to discriminate citizens and I was not okay with writing reports that completely skewed what actually happened. It bothers me because people that don't believe racism, sexism and homophobia are non-existent are either closeted bigots themselves or unwilling to step outside their societal privilege and actually pay attention to what's going on. It's insidious and their argument that there are not written laws that permit discrimination is just another way of burying their heads in the sand.

All of the internet, we see hateful comments about <whatever people hate>.

Examples:

1. TV shows/commericials

For the longest time, the ONLY tv shows and movies were all white people. Sometimes there was a black maid but no real "character".
Yet, now, some people are complaining about having to see black and brown and homosexual people in shows and commercials.

NOTE: They don't like it and they want us to join them in their public outrage. None of them have paused and considered that what they are feeling right now (pushed out because of their race) is exactly what every other race has been facing for however long it's been since tv was invented. And, YET, they still have no compassion or understanding toward others that have faced that since birth.


2. CRT

For the longest time, the ONLY written history of our country was documentation about white settlement in North America. The Native Americans and slavery were relegated to footnotes if mentioned at all.

At NO time in my life, have I ever said or heard any negativity about that *that* history but, for some reason I don't understand, it is considered "hateful" to add CRT to school curriculums.

NOTE: They don't like it and they want us to join them in their public outrage. None of them have paused and considered that what they are feeling right now (pushed out because of their race) is exactly what every other race has been facing for their whole lives.



3. COVID vaccinations

Some people on the web are angry that black people are given priority relative to vaccinations. I've asked myself many times "Why is that happening?" And, the only reasonable answer is "that doesn't sound like a good idea." It is my understanding that that demographic is more susceptible to contracting, infecting others, hospitalization and/or death.

Black and brown people are NEVER a consideration (unless someone wants their votes or they can be exploited in some other way). The skepticism within the black communities echoes these concerns. If our leaders were willing to attempt genocide by *giving* Native Americans blankets with Small pox, or deny treatment to black men in order to study the impact of Syphilis, there's no reason to believe "cutting in line" for black people involves *anything* in their favor.

But, again, we see the public outrage and anger by white people who feel this is unfair. It is, but it's been unfair for everybody except them since the country was founded.



I have tried and tried but I don't understand it at all. They are angry and probably hurt. But, so are all the <others> that go through that all the time, everywhere, every single day of their lives. For the most part, whatever <attempts at levelling the playing field> white people still get the advantage 99.999999% of the time across that board. They don't accept that and that's not their fault. They were born with privilege. How would they know that non-white people don't have that?

Anecdote: I've spoken about my abusive family and my efforts to advocate for children whose abuse and/or neglect lead to involving the court system. I wasn't allowed to have friends growing up. We got to play with other kids outside but didn't have birthday parties, sleepovers or even allowed to go do something with classmates. And, both sets of grandparents were also abusive so I didn't have a safe haven in any direction. I realize now the reason was so nobody could introduce the idea that what they were doing to me was wrong.

In college, a friend invited me to go with him to GA to visit his family for Christmas. All his family was there and they were laughing and talking about stuff they did as kids, etc.. All of them were having a good time. I excused myself and went into one of the bedrooms. My friend came in and asked if I was feeling okay. I told him that I was but "I prefer to be here because I don't want to be out there when the fighting started." He replied "What fighting are you talking about?" and I said "Your family. I don't want to be out there when an argument starts and people start physically fighting." He paused (probably pondering if I was insane) and said "That's not going to happen. It's safe to be out there." so I went back out. @Moriah, I was 22 years old *before* I knew that families can get together and nobody will get cursed out, nobody will start fist fighting and nobody would brandish a gun. I had ABSOLUTELY no clue in any direction that other families didn't make a concerted effort to force their target (usually me) to commit suicide.

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My point is that it's not possible to conceptualize an idea if one isn't even aware that it exists. I didn't know other kids were beaten, chocked, kicked, push out of a vehicle in the middle of the street, awakened by being punched in the face. How would I know?

This is why some white people can't recognize "white privilege" because that's all they've known. And, it's a bit deeper than that because other white people will shun or admonish a white person for NOT being bigoted.

Example 1: I posted about it a few months back but I'm not sure if I've discussed it with you. I reported a company owner that demanded that I never hire any Asian Americans (he thinks they are evil. It makes no sense.) and heavily recruit in black and brown companies. An investigator called me and said the case was closed and there was no action taken against that guy. I asked him how that happened when I provided more than enough proof about what was happening. His response was

Investigator: "We've been hearing these same complaints for 20+ years."
MJ: So he has a history of doing this? Can't that be investigated?
Investigator: "What do you care. He only targets n****** and s*****. No action will be taken.


Example 2: I was talking to a Realtor and scheduled to look at some houses, Based on the photos displayed throughout a home, it was clear that a lesbian couple lived there. I'm not homophobic and I'm not nosy. I don't just get into people's business like that. My Realtor thinks differently. He refused to walk me through a tour of the house. It was winter so we were wearing coats. He pulled his coat down so he could use the cuff to touch their doorknob. I left my vehicle in the parking lot at his office so I was riding with him. He sat on those people's driveway and b!tched and quoted bible verses and hell and damnation, blah, blah, blah...for almost 30 minutes. I was trapped in his vehicle hearing his BS. That couples love life is none of our business.


Example 3: A neighbor of ours asked if we knew a good Realtor and we told her who we hired. She's black, college-educated, no shady past, etc.. About a week later, I asked her if she had a chance to make an appointment and she said that she did but hit a roadblock. She told me that when she arrived, the Realtor was stunned. She took my neighbor into a private office and told her that she will not take her to ANY of the properties they had scheduled that day. She asked the Realtor why and she said "I have to live in this community. All my friends would stop speaking to me if I helped you find a house in those areas.

My neighbor said that she called the Fair Housing Coalition to ask for help finding a Realtor that wasn't racist. She called and set up appointments to see the houses she wanted to see in the first place. The same thing happened except in reverse. The Realtor wasn't racist, herself, but every home owner that opened the door for our visit refused to have a n***** in their home.


Admittedly, I have seen too much, and I swear to you that I would love to tell you these were isolated incidents. They weren't. Not by a long shot and based on what I've witnessed and heard and investigated, there is not enough bandwidth on this forum to list them all.

 

As a conservative, my respect for LEO's hasn't diminished one iota. In fact, for all the grief being poured out at them, my respect and appreciation for LEO's, from Federal to City, has increased. If I have a beef, it's with the people in general.

 

I think conservatives do, but most Republicans are not conservative but populists, which means they support and oppose whatever happens to the popular option at any given time.

 

FWIW, they didn't just start shooting. They were fired on first, and then returned fire.