Do conservatives still respect the police?

It's maintained they are sometimes necessary for the safety of the police executing them, but that seems to obviate one of safety's basic rules, which is that if you have an operation which has dangers that cannot be eliminated through equipment or practices then you must find some other way to accomplish the objective. You're right, no-knock warrants jeopardize the public, which violates the entire objective of law in the first place.

 

Thank you for sharing your experiences, MJ Davies. I'm so glad you were able to overcome your difficult childhood. I know a few people who were abused/neglected as children and they became alcoholics or drug addicts.
I like the way you describe White privilege. It is a fact of life in the USA. That's why we still need Affirmative Action---no matter how much some people hate it.

 

You're welcome. I share my story because I know there are people out there hurting in very deep way and they don't want to talk about it because they think nobody will understand. I want those people that run across my posts to know that it is survivable and the more of us that turn our pain into something helpful for somebody else, even one other person, our abuse wasn't in vain.

I enjoy reading your posts, Moriah.

 

Thank you. Likewise.

 

If someone broke your door down would you politely wait to see what they wanted or would you shoot to defend yourself? They didn't know whether it was the police or not.

 

How would you answer the Moriah?

 

When it is convenient… yes, many do. When it is not, then far fewer do. We love to virtue signal and sometimes we even live up to our virtues. But when our virtues get in the way of our deepest unfulfilled desires or our sense of security in an insecure moment is when we tend to set them aside while claiming we have not. We are masters at rationalizing our hypocrisy!

 

The Detectives knocked and announced themselves for ninety seconds without getting a response from inside, before knocking the door down for which they had a warrant to do. Then they were fired upon from inside, which struck one Detective in his upper thigh, severing his femoral artery and nearly killing him. So they returned fire. If you were a Detective serving a no knock warrant for narcotics distribution. And after knocking with no answer from within, you broke down the door and were shot in the dark, what would you do when it is your job and duty to carry out your mission, serve the warrant, and uphold the law and protect your own life as well as the lives of your fellow officers. They are our servants. We send them into these ungodly situations, 24/7. So save your malice for yourself. And some for Taylor too, for her former associations with a narcotics dealer and for bringing her twisted past into the civilized world. Our servants are only human.

 

I would try to defend myself.

 

1) The person they were looking for wasn't inside Breonna's apartment. So, they got incorrect information. That incorrect information VOIDED the no-knock warrent.
2) It wasn't Breonna's fault or her boyfriend's fault that the police broke down the wrong door. Her boyfriend had a right to shoot to defend himself.
3) I have no malice toward the police. But, the ones who killed Breonna Taylor in her own apartment, when she hadn't broken any law, leave a lot to be desired.
If Breonna did have "associations with a narcotics dealer" that was still no reason to riddle her body with bullets.

 

What does that look like to you?

The *issue* here is there are different rules applied depending on factors that should be irrelevant in these matters but that's not how our society works in real life.

The people that defend white cops killing Breonna are going insane about Officer Byrd shooting Babbitt at the Capitol.

What they do is MINIMIZE everything white people do (the Capitol riot has been reduced to "trespassing" in their heads) but some have been calling for the death penalty on other protestors and rioters elsewhere in the country.

They are angry that Floyd had a criminal past and I think he had a drug addiction. I don't know. I don't care about any of that so I haven't been paying attention. But, <whatever it is was> was held as "justification" for Chauvin killing him. But, the are completely silent on Babbitt's previous problems that lead to her being known by the local police. All that gets whitewashed with bleach or something. I have never been bigoted so I don't know how those mental gymnastics work exactly.

Achievements by non-whites are also minimized. The Obamas are very well educated and intelligent and lovely and she was called a "more of a man that he is" and his accomplished were reduced to "community organizer). He taught at Harvard. It doesn't get more prestigious than that.

And, the reverse happens. Anything and everything a white person is valued higher than societal contributions from non-white citizens and residents. They have no shame in exploiting people and treating them like second class citizens so, there is nothing you can say that would cause any of the people that think that way to change their opinion because the *foundation* of those opinions is already false so anything that refutes that basis has to be ignored.

We even see this in the national campaigns for just about any cause. When drug dealers were adding substances to street drugs that lead to the deaths of many black and brown people, nobody cared. When drug dealing and use moved to the suburbs and white kids started dying, it became a national crisis.

The irony is all this time that some of us have been standing against those double-standards, that ilk did care what was happening to non-white people in this country, but they turn around and want support from EVERYONE when they feel discriminated against. All discrimination is wrong and very counterproductive in the effort to find those issues in which we mostly agree and use those a bridge to openly discuss the matters where we are farther apart. We can't even begin to find a solution if we can't openly and honestly discuss anything without all the hatred and finger-pointing. It's tragic.

Life is finite and I try to use my energy wisely and I take pride in knowing that I did not capitulate to being discriminatory against others like my parents taught me and neither has my ex whose parents also tried to instill that position and neither of us passed that garbage onto our children. I'm proud of them. I'm honored to be their parent and I will go to my grave proud of the fact that I let that horrible, horrible hatred stop with me. Sure, I lost a couple of jobs for not being prejudiced and I've lost several friendships for the same reasons. But, I have to be able to look at myself in a mirror and look at my children and tell them to make good choices in spite of the unrelenting pressure to make the easiest ones. The path to self-respect and the path to healing our communities and nation can't begin upon those broken stones.

 

1. So what? They had reasonable grounds to believe he was there.
2, They broke down the right door, her ex-boyfriend was an utter scumbag and the police were entirely justified.
3. No they don't, they were fired upon and returned fire, who can doubt that?
4. That wasn't the reason, it was her boyfriend who fired on the police.

A book you should read;
Into the Kill Zone P: A Cop's Eye View of Deadly Force: Amazon.co.uk: Klinger: 9780787986032: Books

 

If more people were like you, MJ Davies, this would be a much better world. When you spoke of Barack and Michelle Obama I thought of how certain people used to call Michelle an ape/gorilla/orangatang etc. and, yes, they also called her a man. It was very ugly. Donald Trump loved talking about how Obama was born in Kenya---nothing but racist nonsense. But he knew who his base was and what they liked to hear.

 

Thank you and the sentiment is mutual. -)

Yes, I do remember that. Michelle is very pretty AND very intelligent but the type of person that thinks that way can't see anything positive in the people they hate. Remember when people lost their minds when she was photographed in a sleeveless dress? They screamed that was brazen and basically called her Jezebel.

It's not just non-white people either. They are doing the exact same thing to Jill. They called her horrible names for wearing an outfit that admittedly was a bit too young for her. They also don't seem to understand that "doctor" is the correct designation for education level. All doctors don't practice medicine. One of my friends loves Trump as gets all her "news" on Facebook <smh> and was going on about that. This is what I said.

"So, it's offensive to you that Jill wore something a bit too young and that she wants to be called by her title, which is the accurate designation, BUT, you are totally cool with calling a vapid former lesbian nude porn model "lady"?

Crickets.

 

No knock warrants belong in unarmed societies. Given what is going on in America today, wanna be Rambo’s have to expect casualties.
If they don’t want to wait them out, they might as well throw a frag through the window.

 

Or bust them when they're out and about, rather than in a darkened dwelling in the dead of night. I think they could have arrested David Koresh that way as well and avoided the catastrophe at his religious complex.

 

Other than the Officer who shot and killed an unarmed protestor, can you give me some examples of people not supporting the police on Jan 6th. All I have seen is conservatives calling for the prosecution to the full extent of the law of any person who assaulted a police officer. All I have seen is condemnation of those who engaged in violence. I certainly say none attacking the police and supporting insurrection and arachy as liberals did the BLM and Antifa rioters.