Do people on the Right want the "less fortunate" to suffer and/or die?

Yes, we agree that we ought to not let people die on the side of the road. We should help them. It's nice thing to do. You'd want people to help you if you were dying on the side of the road, right?

If you're so concerned and miserly, choose to go to a hospital that doesn't provide emergent treatment to those who can't pay. Then you won't be subsidizing anyone.

See, problem solved.

 

What hospital doesn't provide emergent treatment to those who can't pay? I thought you said that was mandated?

 

Then why do Dems give some little of their time and money compared to the GOP?

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html

 

I acknowledged that it's mandated, and I said that it should not be mandated. That would solve your problem of not wanting to pay your neighbor's health care costs, no?

 

But then we're back to letting people die in the side of the road. You can't have it both ways

 

False dichotomy, Bro.

My position #1: Nobody has the right to force another to provide healthcare. Such a right would be tantamount to having a right to enslave another.

My position #2: If I see someone dying on the side of the road, I will choose to help that person not die.

These positions are non-contradictory.

Have a nice statism!

 

Ah...so you think all hospitals will help those who can't pay if there was no mandate? Well...then why the mandate???

 

They have, throughout history, so yeah.

Good question. I don't know the answer.

By what right do some people enslave others and force them to provide medical services? Are you saying you agree with this enslavement?

 

Precisely- that is the real American promise. However, so long as people blame others and expect those others to fix their lives, they will never fulfill it.

 

How can you think it's enslavement when you agree someone dying SHOULD get the help they need? You're talking out of both sides of your mouth again.

 

Sometimes it fits into an old saying-
"I would if I could, but I can't because I won't".

Whenever people start to feel sorry for themselves, the real trouble begins for them. When someone else compounds that belief and tells them they are victims, it just gets worse.

 

Because it's enforced at the point of a gun. That's sort of the nature of enslavement,

You don't agree that it's a good thing to help a dying person? I thought we already established this.

Here. Maybe this will help:

Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain. ― Frederic Bastiat, The Law​

Have a great statism!

 

Pretty much. There's nothing like the scent of a fresh victim......

 

You're just going in circles. You want people to be helped but you don't want hospitals to have to help. But when questioned if you think hospitals will help without a mandate you had no answer.

 

Yep. I think you and I should help people.

Yep, I have no right to FORCE you to help people.

Of course hospitals will help without a mandate. They've been doing that for a thousand years or so.

Have a nice statism!

 

First of all- I don't believe that story at all. Even if it is true in your perception, I would suspect you misread and take every advantage to twist it into what you what to believe.
Strong people have no need or desire to see anybody suffer. They also know that insisting you are the victim, that others are responsible for the quality of your life and happiness- is a con, an attempt to guilt-trip others into supporting your needs.

Every conservative I know would have respect for anyone, regardless of their level of handicap or limitations, who did their best to care for themselves- and most would be happy to help pick up the slack for such people whose limitations didn't allow them to be fully successful at that. That is to respect and recognize their pride, their spirit and independence, and help make it possible for such a person to retain their own self-respect. You can't give the person that pride, but you can take it away- and that is a despicable thing to do.

However, none of them believe that they have an obligation to save people from themselves, and they know that isn't possible. No matter how much help you provide for such people, they remain bitter and hostile, continue to blame the rest of the world for not saving them- and that leaves them powerless to save themselves. Those conservatives know that any attempt to help such a person will only exacerbate the problem; convince the person that other people are indeed responsible for his discontent.

It is when you look to yourself, regardless of what limitations you may have, that you begin to empower yourself.
Obviously, that concept is not in place here.

 

So then why the mandate? If hospitals have been helping then why the need for a mandate?

 

It's really not going in circles....there is no need for the mandate...it didn't come about until 86....doctors and nurses were treating people in need prior to the law being passed. Forcing by law someone to provide a good or service is wrong, letting people die on the street is wrong...it's not that hard a concept

 

Because statists wanted it.

Have a nice statism!

 

So if hospitals were doing it anyway and you agree they should be doing it then why does it matter that it's law?

 

So if hospitals were doing it anyway and you agree they should be doing it then why does it matter that it's law?

 

because it's wrong to force people to provide a good or service. Did you miss that part?

 

Because nobody has the right to enslave another person and force them to provide health care services.

 

But again...if they were doing it anyway then it's not enslavement. Enslavement is forcing someone to do something against their will.

 

enslavement is at the core of every leftist ideological practice. It's the only way leftist regimes can ever function.