Do Truthers Understand Basic Physics?

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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Well these issues were argued on a different site against at least one 'real' engineer that was a state mouthpiece, one that had very little experience and a degreed architect that threw his degree around a lot and produced nothing but trash, 3 gubmint mouth pieces. They didnt like things like this either, very unhappy because it made fools of their best laid out propaganda schtick. Now you have the links. The graph shows the comparison with 2 other demolitions, wtc does exactly the opposite of other similar demolitions. They cant spin or throw enough **** at the wall to defeat it :cool:
     
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    It is interesting that the column broke in two places, above and below where the floor joist was connected instead of the connection to the column breaking off. And yet that column had to be strong enough to support whatever weight was above for 28 years.

    Graphics is so flexible and believable. :cheerleader:
     
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    It was their propaganda graphic that they were peddling at the time, completely backwards from reality.

    especially since the alleged plane in no way could have taken out a whole side of columns.

    Here is a dose of reality for them

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    The FEA shows there is only one way the exo can be pulled in and it aint from sagging trusses as the trash NIST put out.

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    as we can see the whole side of the exo was pulled in at the same time. If it were sagging trusses it would have pushed it out so any reasonable person is forced to conclude the core was taken out below the impact point to accomplish this.



    that will give fang about 30 years of debating pleasure LOL
     
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    With no smoke coming from the north tower did you need to find the original to know it had not been a realtime photo?

    Why don't you measure the angle to see if the tilt matches what the NIST said? Oh, that's right, you are not allowed to mention the term Center of Gravity.
     
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    There is a class of "smart" people so embedded in their own politics that they simply do not understand other "smart" people's remarks.
    Had I experimented prior to my first physics course as a Jr. in high school? Definitely. By the 8th grade I was working on that happens if something exceeds the speed of light or hits the speed of light. Nothing there as to experiments. But I had fun living in the distant future. My comments were not such to give me a lecture in philosophy.

    When I spoke of faith, I spoke that what you learned, often is the end. The notion you will try to experiment again thinking you may end up with different results does not come to students minds. They got something that worked and worked again so they dropped it and did not try more times to see if the experiment would actually fail. They had faith it was not going to be different.

    IF by north tower you mean the WTC, some clever engineers had worked that out ahead of the official results. What they announced as the reasons of the WTC falling made a lot of sense to me given i had worked for some years with various metals to produce various products.

    To me, the people who do not understand how the airliners impacted the buildings thus gutting their strength perhaps dwell in fantasy and never took serious actual good solid studies of the buildings falling. I am not speaking only of the NIST results. They put more faith that men were able to cart up the floors of the building actual high explosives than in the fact that an airliner is a flying bomb when crashing.

    I doubt the conspiracy group stopped to think or check out the massive weight every airliner has. It is a large tube of aluminum flying at some serious speeds. But why account for that when you can imagine in their heads men trudging upstairs with explosives that nobody notices them doing nor planting. Hell, it works in the movies so it must work in real life.
     
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    I don't use the word FAITH. I decided I was an agnostic at 12.

    How can anyone understand how much damage the airliner could do if they do not even know the amount of steel on each level of the tower? So how do you come up with "gutted"? FAITH? There were 2800 perimeter panels on each tower from the 9th floor to the top? An engineering magazine from 1979 said the heaviest panels were 22 tons each. There were 19 panels on each side of the building every 3 levels. But I have not seen a specification of any other weights in SIXTEEN YEARS. What was the weight of the panels on the 91st floor of the north tower? What was the weight of the panels on the 81st floor of the south tower? If you do not know that then how can you or anyone else figure out how much damage was done by the plane?

    All you can do is throw around the words "Conspiracy" and "Faith".

    I don't give a damn about any conspiracy. I don't care who did it anymore.

    But I have no Faith in people who talk bullsh!t and do not even demand the relevant data.

    Creating a simulation of the north tower with 5 level removed, 91 through 95, and dropping the top 15 stories on the lower 90 would aid in analyzing the collapse since that is more damage than airliner impact and fire could do.

    Can't your Faith in Physics handle that?
     
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    Which are?

    I don't blame you. There are no NIST "results" worth anything. For the twin towers, they admitted in a footnote that they never investigated the "collapse" of those buildings. They only claimed that the "collapses" were "inevitable" without explaining the actual "collapses". And for WTC7, they peddled a "probable collapse initiation" theory as fact using data they concocted/manipulated, some of which they admitted to. They also deliberately withheld many details, data and computer models used in their findings despite FOIA requests. Claiming that the release of such information would "jeopardize public safety". Yeah, I wouldn't talk about the NIST "results" either if I were you. There's another thread for that subject matter anyway:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-nist-9-11-scam-exposed-in-all-its-glory.458597/

    What was that about people dwelling in "fantasy"?
     
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    Interesting **** happens when the lights are out. You know you can get these links and save all this stuff ;)

    Ever watch a demolition sequence?

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    Compare the amount of explosives above with the below, they wanted to make damn sure it stayed in its foot print.

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    They really lit the ****er up!


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    Of course the windows breaking out at the exact same time they lite er up is just a coincidence.

    You can even see it broad daylight, welcome to the new world disorder.

    That osama bin laden is one sneaky ****ing wabbit!
     
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    About 12-16 months past the collapse of the two buildings, an engineering firm published their findings and explained the structure of the two along with how and why they collapsed. That study happened in 2003 I think it was. I lost interest in this years back since it leads nowhere. Before NIST, I believe I understood the fall fairly well.
     
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    I was not using FAITH in any religious context. It does not matter at all now if anybody gets it. I know why I said it. It won't help you for me to try to explain it to you.

    The amount of steel in all buildings is well known. This is calculated by the architects. Engineering studies were done on the fall prior to NIST and very well understood the collapses.

    Your modern airliner weighs in the hundreds of tons so imagine you had a flying locomotive on rails, but up in the air. The airliner is designed for enormous strength. Maybe you need to study modern airliners more than you studied buildings.
     
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    Who? So why didn't NIST just go along with that explanation? And how did this mysterious engineering firm investigate and reach their conclusion if NIST had all the evidence and data and refused to share it publicly?

    So are you saying it was worthless or you just lost interest?

    And now? So are you saying this mysterious firm explained it to your satisfaction despite that they never had access to NIST's data or evidence? Or you just took a good guess to your own satisfaction?

    Other than FEMA (prior to NIST and which was preliminary/incomplete), there were only two other engineering studies conducted after the NIST reports to my knowledge, ARUP and Weidlinger, both for WTC7. These were strictly engineering studies that never took into account any forensic examination of the evidence or eyewitness statements, not to mention they also lacked access to NIST's data. Both disagreed with NIST's central cause of the "collapse" of WTC7.
     
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    So are you going to name this firm and provide a link to these findings or are we supposed to accept this on faith?
     
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    Faith IS a religious concept, the opposite of empirical, a scientific concept.

    I am sure everyone is shocked over seeing 7 getting toasted, and if you look close you can see it on the one on NISTS site (hidden in plain view!) LOL

    Hey there is no end to the quantum bullshit they fed us on 911.

    So what color is burning jet fuel? Basically very dark, anyone ever witnessed a plane go in knows that. Well the posers actually used to deny that in the plane arguments! LOL

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    There is no end when people want to take a serious look, and of course that begs the question what really happened?


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    :shocked: :hiding:
     
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    Link please?
     
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    NIST didnt even get freefall right


    Look at my footer, describes nist to a t
     
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    to bad so sad not there any more, but you can get any clip of 7 going in from bootube and now that you know exactly what to look for you have a trained expert eye and it sticks out like a sore thumb :)


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    Nice clear one the above clip scam sunder says no one heard an explosion, turn your bass up in the one below


    another one supposedly foia
     
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    They did get it right except they tried to fudge it.

    In Stage 2, the north face descended at gravitational acceleration, as the buckled columns provided negligible support to the upper portion of the north face. This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories or 32.0 m (105 ft)

    was a paragraph from NIST NCSTAR 1A that NIST tried to obscure as part of their contrived Stage 2 and attributed it to the "north face" only. What NIST didn't do is explain how that was possible in a "natural collapse resulting from simple office fire".
     
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    I was referring to prior to the high school teacher embarrassing them and forcing them to make corrections.
     
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    It's not that they didn't get it right, they outright lied by omission. NIST did everything possible to try to come up with a creative theory on the "collapse" of WTC7, automatically rejecting the most likely cause in favor of the least likely cause. It was a massive fraud from the beginning, just like the 9/11 Commission. These experts were not stupid other than they stupidly thought they might be able to get away with using pseudo science for the gullible majority. I'm 100% sure they knew what was up, otherwise why would they resort to these intricate technical shenanigans that took them 7 years to concoct?
     
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    They have an agenda, or were given one from something more powerful than themselves. After all everyone knows the Muslims did it.

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    I’m not sure where you have been over the years around here, but if physics is what you want, then you might also want to read my posts on the subject of the aircraft used by the government on 911, here on this forum. Just search my UID.

    Meantime, there are no people in existence in the world who do not understand that 911 was an inside job that got covered up. There is plenty of evidence for the cover up phase. I’ve walked people through the evidence taken from the alleged commercial aircraft used and showed them precisely where the cover up ensues at each crime scene involved in 911. Again, you can search my posts on this forum.

    To understand that 911 was a Reichstag, you need to examine the folowing:

    - Crash Site Physics
    - Crash Site Geometry
    - Crash Site Chemistry
    - 757/767 Flight Performance Characteristics
    - 757/767 Flight Physics
    - Required Piloting Skill/Knowledge
    - US Air Defense Systems (NEADS)
    - F-15 Flight Performance Characteristics
    - USAF Air Intercept Protocols
    - FAA Protocols for 7777 Sqwaks
    - FAA Radar Track Summary for 9/1/2001
    - FAA IFR Requirements for Part 121 Sceduled Carriers
    - RF based Cell Phone Technology circa 2001
    - Eyewitness Statements before Mainstream Media Arrives on Scene

    When you examine the nonsense within the 911 Omission Report and juxtapose the above elements from each crime scene, no one seriously concerned about the truth of 911, walks away believing the Official Story.

    The “Official Story” is just that, an “Official Story.” It was concocted by Professional Storytellers and fed to soft minded people who have been programmed for their entire life to “believe” whatever their government tells/sells them.

    The 911 hit on America was executed by Israel’s MOSAD. It was allowed by Bush’s NEOCON Administration. It was foretold by Crystal’s PNAC and it was sold to the world as “Truth.”

    Ergo, who are the real “Truthers” here, if not those who have continually told you that their “Official Story” was the “Truth.” The “Official Story” is illogical, irrational and circular. It violates the laws of physics and chemistry. Moreover, it lacks basic fundamental common sense foundation.

    If the characteristics of the weapons (Commercial Aircraft) used on 911 don’t match the “Official Story” (and a closely skilled analysis of the above elements clearly prove they do not) then all subsequent statements made by the “Official Storytellers” about “buildings” cannot be the “Truth.”

    In other words, if you really want to know whether or not you can trust the “Offical Story,” you examine the weapons used, first. If you don’t see weapons signature matching the effected crime scene, then you know that the weapons used were different than that which were used in the “Official Story.” When a Commercial Aircraft impacts the earth or a free standing structure, it leaves a Signature in its wake. In 911, that Signature does not exist at any of the four crime scenes. Those crime scenes contain a different Signature entirely.

    No need to talk about buildings falling from the sky. Focus on the weapons used and the determine whether or not proper Signature exists. In this Reichstag, they do not. Thus, the “Official Story” is bull.
     
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    you mean like the engine conveniently with the street sign laying near it was from a 747, never used on either a 767 or 757. things like that?
     
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    I guess you're the only one on the planet who ever heard of this mystery "engineering firm" and their mysterious "study". Of course, you're not telling, it's a secret. This thread is supposed to be about ridiculing those who don't buy the official fairy tale. But it seems to me those who do go through all sorts of silly shenanigans trying to defend it. They actually believe they can simply invent stories about themselves and readers will simply accept these as true. They only manage to ridicule themselves.
     

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