Do UFOs/ETs exist, are they real?

Are you a believer?

Did you see the recent UFO videos from the Navy?

Think they are real?

Discuss

 

I don't know. But based on 30 years of interest and research, if I had to bet, I would bet yes.

I saw something once but have no idea what it was. It was large, slow, silent, flew directly over us at low altitude, it had unusual lights, and I never could make out any detail that made sense. I have no idea what I saw. It wasn't anything common but beyond that dunno. It didn't do anything that defied the limits of known technology, such as zipping out of sight in an instant. It just moved slowly and silently.

 

This is one of the more impressive, well documented reports. It can be obtained directly from the NSA.
http://nicap.org/reports/760919routing_slip_ufo_iran.pdf

or here
https://www.dia.mil/FOIA/FOIA-Electronic-Reading-Room/FOIA-Reading-Room-Iran/FileId/122011/

What makes this particularly interesting is not only the nature of the encounter, but also that so many official personnel were directly involved with US Intelligence on the scene shortly thereafter. Two F4 fighter jets attempted to engage the UFO.

 

possible, the Jewish religion is based off an Ancient Alien story, so could be they were here long long time again

 

The Coyne Helicopter event is another very interesting and credible report.

 

~ We know so little about our universe that I do think it is possible UFOs exist. However I do not believe those who claim that they were abducted by aliens or spoke with one.

 

agree, if they were here, it was a long long time ago, if there were here today, we would know

 

I put them in the same category as ghosts and alternate dimensions. They probably exist and it makes sense to me that they exist, but I havn't personally experienced anything that leads me to believe they exist.

...if that makes any sense.

I do believe the govt has and uses advanced technology that would appear to us as alien craft, but that by no means precludes the existence of actual aliens or their craft.

 

I think the anomalies in the videos that I saw are artificial.

 

I guess this is technically a UFO. I don't think its aliens tho...

 

We do know, and the evidence is overwhelming. The gov is covering it up, and the aliens prefer to operate clandestinely.

What they are up to? No one knows.

 

do you think Trump could keep a secret like that?

 

There are real videos which appear to depict objects, which are flying and which nobody has been able to definitively identify. UFOs exist by literal definition.

There is exactly zero justification to assume that the explanation for them must be specifically spacecraft piloted by extraterrestrial beings from some other planet in the universe though. There are countless possible explanations for the range of phenomena labelled as "UFOs" and many examples that have been proven or established as most likely to be explained by something perfectly rational and mundane. Obviously that doesn't mean they explain all examples but it also doesn't mean the remainder must be explained by aliens.

I think it's always worth noting that in the past, people would attributed exactly the same phenomena to ghosts, demons or gods. And as things stand, their ideas are no more or less justified that any specific assertions about aliens are.

 

~ Could be the Rodney King riot in Los Angeles ...❓

 

So, you don't believe any of the UFO sightings, not even one of the millions which have been recorded, not a single solitary one of them are occupied by ETs coming to visit earth?

Not one?

See, Honest Joe, I'm not asking for evidence, I'm asking if you believe it. One can believe it, on a gut feeling, and not have evidence, there is no requirement for evidence just to believe something.

Now, you might be the type who needs evidence to believe in something, and that's fine, but note that if there were evidence, it wouldn't be a belief, eh?

And there is an overwhelming amount of thin evidence. Now, I wouldn't believe anything on thin evidence, necessarily. But, I would if there were an overwhelming amount of it, not saying in every case, but in some cases where it is logical.

Now, if you don't know that there is an overwhelming amount of thin evidence, if you don't know that, you are not a curious person, because, if you were a curious person, you would know that. Am I right? Even if that assumption is incorrect, ......

If you accept the possibility that interstellar space travel is possible that circumvents linear space travel with some other method, warping space, ( who knows? ) something other paradigm shift hitherto unknown and undiscovered by man, whereby Einstein's speed limit is not necessarily being violated, it is being rendered moot, something that highly advanced beings know that he didn't think of, not because Einstein is stupid, but because aliens are a million years ahead of Einstein, so if it is possible, then out of the millions of planets that are likely to have intelligent life on them, ( which is now the consensus, I believe) does it seem logical that not even ONE of them are advanced enough to have conquered practical interstellar space travel? And if at least one of them has, doesn't it seem logical they MIGHT have came here because they are likely to have cosmic scanners for the universe for budding planets that are on the verge of destroying themselves and who knows what else via their newly discovered atomic bombs?

You know it's possible that Earth, with earthlings and atomic bombs, is not a unique thing, that there might be a crew of aliens in the galactic federation tasked to seek out other earths who are similarly on the verge of self destruction with nukes because of the damage they could do to one corner of the universe, the kind is wise beings who understand that, cosmically speaking, we are all connected , and atomic bombs is NOT a good thing in this cosmology, so an effort worthy of preventing such evil from coming to its' evil fruition is very likely? No?

One thing you must stop doing, as all doubters tend to do, is second guess how they operate and think, and don't use your assumptions to dispel a reason to believe if there is a logical basis to believe. I think I have presented a logical basis to believe, no?

Here's what I don't get. Carl Sagan once proclaimed taht 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence'.

That seems logical, if you deem that having neighbors are extraordinary.

I don't. Neighbors are neighbors, next door, or otherwise.

In the physical universe, in any category, there is not a single one of anything.

There is not one cat, one dog, one bug, one germ, one tree, there is not one planet, and there simply cannot be one planet with life, and not one planet with intelligent life, and one living condition where there is only one spectrum of life, meaning a life with a range of intelligence, from single celled to humans and beyond, there isn't one of that, either. There must be, just by observing nature, more than one universe.

Therefore, what is the upper limit on that range of intelligence? Does it fall short before intelligence can discover interstellar travel that is practical?

In a sense, it seem to me, your position is the illogical position.

Think about it.

 

Do you think they'd tell him?

 

No, for the same reason I don't believe they're creatures from another dimension, time travellers from the far future or members of the Illuminati who have horded lots of advanced technology. All of those options are possible, and pretty much equally possible given the limited evidence we have, but I see no need or reason to believe any of them are definitely true.

Well in that context, I don't do belief. I'm comfortable with accepting "I don't know" as a valid answer for something that has no direct impact on myself (or anyone else really). I've no issue with speculation and hypothesising - I'd actively encourage that - but just deciding on an answer because you like the sound of it is the exact opposite of that. It's really quite closed and limiting, not being open to the almost endless range of other possibilities.

I would argue that there is very little evidence that could only be explained by extraterrestrial alien spaceships. As I pointed out, before the idea of aliens became culturally popular, they weren't the go-to answer for unexplained phenomena.

I'd suggest that's because you misunderstood my position. I'm not saying "no", I'm saying "maybe". There are just loads of other "maybes" to consider too.

 

Going by what we know about other solar systems there are almost certainly well over a billion planets having sentient life in our galaxy alone. We talk about billions a lot (there's even a tv show) but the number is really beyond our comprehension

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,000,000,000#:~:text=1,000,000,000 (one billion, short scale,written as b or bn.

If only 1% of these planets have spacefaring civilizations that is 10 million within our galaxy alone. If such civilizations could have traveled here, (and there are many ways that is possible even given just the science we have) it strains credulity to think they AREN'T here already.

Differences of many thousands of years between them and us in the age of our civilizations would be incredibly common and probably the norm. Only a very few thousands or even hundreds of years differences between us and them would have beings which we, accord to the Clarke Corollary, would regard as being magical. They would easily be able to live among us undetected, and they nearly certainly have, probably throughout human history if not longer.

Do they permit us to see them sometimes? Why not? We can no more fathom the reason they do things than a rabbit understands why we run over its burrow to plow a field. We certainly can't do anything about it beyond hoping that they are benevolent, but it seems that civilizations evolve toward that, albeit very slowly and they've never seemed that hostile so I'm really not worried.

Besides. we couldn't do anything about it anyway.

 

Do you have anything besides the video? How do you know this is real? Is there any official documentation?

 

He was very young but my father remembered this. He remembered the sirens and black out, and picking up artillery shells the next morning.

 

How much time have you spent researching the subject? How many famous cases can you name without looking?

 

Trump believes what he wants to believe. It wouldn't matter what anyone said. And any evidence could be a liberal conspiracy created by Muslim generals running a child porn operation from Kenyan pizza parlors.

 

I wish !....lately I've been going out on my deck at night and yelling, "Beam me up, PLEASE!"....and nothing happens....

I do believe there's life other places in the universe but they would have to be real hell holes for an entity to want to come here...

 

Very little, I've only seen the various things some people assert as proof of space aliens. I've never heard of any incident that could only be explained by extraterrestrial aliens in a spaceship but I'd be more than happy see some.

 

No. Thats why its unidentified. Looks to me like a drone tho.