Do we have the right to say what happens to our bodies when we die?

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Humans have the right to determine what happens to their dead body

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  2. False

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  1. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    I am becoming increasingly intrigued to this notion of government extending its power of eminent domain to dead bodies to save actual lives, actual eyesight, actual hearing etc rather than just building a bike path with a strip of land.
     
  2. DaveBN

    DaveBN Well-Known Member

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    I agree.
     
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  3. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    Oh by the way, I would pass a statute in a heartbeat compelling people to act to save a life. You got a cell phone, you watch a kid being beaten to death in an alley, you don't feel like dialing 9-11, do some time for it!

    Your 'personal autonomy' just shrank!
     
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  4. Overitall

    Overitall Well-Known Member

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    No, you didn't make that claim. What you said was: "You should look into the environmental impacts of cremation." which had the implication that cremations had a major footprint on the environment. My point was that in comparison to forest fires and other natural disasters that impact is negligible. Hardly worth mentioning.
     
  5. DaveBN

    DaveBN Well-Known Member

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    That post was intended for a recipient that seemed to care about those impacts.

    If you don’t care, that’s fine. The post wasn’t intended for you.
     
  6. Overitall

    Overitall Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps you should get a private room. ;)
     
  7. DaveBN

    DaveBN Well-Known Member

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    Or you could learn to ignore things you find inconsequential. :)
     
  8. Overitall

    Overitall Well-Known Member

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    Sure, but then what's the point of being a member of a debate board if you don't debate statements made? :)
     
  9. DaveBN

    DaveBN Well-Known Member

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    This has been fun. Looking forward to talking with you about something that we both find worth arguing.
     
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    I would vote for an opt-out law. I understand and respect traditions and/or religions that require and intact body to bury, so they can opt out legally. But if someone has not, their healthy organs can save the lives of so many.
     
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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    I used to think that I don't care what happens to my body after I die. After all, I'm dead and gone and my body doesn't matter anymore. It's a dead husk.

    But, over the years, I realized that what we think of death in the general situation is not the same thing as clinical death. This means you'll be alive and feel pain as they cut you up for your organs, even though you're not responsive. And, you might be in some state of awareness for hours.
     
  12. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Donor

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    It wasn’t meant as a gotcha. I was curious how far people who are against choice are willing to take it, in the name of saving lives.

    At least one anti choice person has admitted that a dead person shouldn’t be required to help save a living person.The same people would require living people to put their own health at risk to save a glob of cells that may be a person one day.

    So, there is clearly hypocrisy in the mix.
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Donor

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    Where did you come across this science?
     
  14. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    Ok, so let's start with the first concept. What is death and what is clinical death?

    So, we see death as a lifeless body. I'm not going into details because we all know what death is (I hope).

    But, then there's clinical death where death is the stillness and lack of a heartbeat. Not death, but a lack of a heartbeat. So, it happens all the time that medics bring people back to life by CPR or zapping the heart and restarting it beating.

    People had clinical death, but their body and mind were still functioning even after their heart stopped beating. And they were returned back to a functioning state once the heart resumed its beating. Pumping oxygen-rich blood throughout the body.
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes. Just don’t see how that is relevant.
     
  16. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    I don't believe the government has the right over your remains after you are dead. I personally feel like people should all be organ donors at the very least to hopefully help someone else once they are dead but that's still a choice that should be left up to the individual or the individuals family, not the government.

    I'm an organ donor and if some part of me could be used to help someone else after I'm dead then by all means. I'm dead after all, not like I need it anymore. I'd also like to be sent away leaving the least amount of impact on the Earth so whatever method that may be I'm all for it.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is forced organ donation so terrible when the body is going to be cremated anyway? Just a thought.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hmm, but isn't the person, after they die, just a shell of their former selves, just an empty husk?
    Abortion Pro-Choicers often claim that the fetus is "just an empty husk with no soul", and therefore it doesn't have any rights, so why then should a dead body?

    How about we take away your right to decide what happens to your body after death if you have had an abortion? Seems fair...
     
  19. FreshAir

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    you gain rights only when your actually born into this world, not when cells in a pertri dish

    if you ave life insurance on your children, you won't get paid for a miscarriage either as they were never born
     
  20. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That sounds like a red herring. We're not talking about cells in a petri dish, as you full well know.

    Is your argument that, if you do have rights, those rights somehow continue to attach to your body thereafter (even after the reason for your original rights is now long gone) ?

    It seems to me that a dead person is, literally, a "clump of cells".
     
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    you make the choice while you are alive, yes

    if not, someone makes it for you later... next of kin
     
  22. fmw

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    Dead people don't care about anything. You need to ask the people they leave behind.
     

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