Do you believe 9/11 was an inside job and why?

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Was 9/11 an inside job?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. genericBob

    genericBob New Member

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    don't assume anything,
    I know a good bit more than you give me credit for.
    only its all that experience at construction that you
    have, is your bias in allegedly knowing how the tower(s)
    "collapsed" as they did, and I ask you,
    should it be .... that the top 15% of a skyscraper
    could collapse down upon the other 85% and cause
    total destruction of the entire skyscraper?

    or?
     
  2. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    And I keep telling you that the bottom 85% didn't come into play to resist the onslaught of descending debris. The massive loads caused LOCALIZED failure as it traveled down. I don't care how much support was beneath. The load of the descending debris overloaded the individual floor connections causing failure at that level. You have had this explained to you numerous times.

    Each floor is designed to hold up it's own weight and that of objects placed upon it. The load placed upon a floor is transfer, via connections, to the surrounding columns to be distributed downward to the grillages upon bedrock. Below is a diagram of how load distibution works. Follow the arrows.
    [​IMG]

    And if you don't think a smaller upper section can destroy a larger lower section, explain this video. How did three floors destroy the rest below? The lower section was supporting the upper section right? It's way smaller then the lower section right?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCjEi4z2KZA

    So I'll ask you this how would you expect these floor truss support, designed to support EACH INDIVIDUAL FLOOR AT THAT LEVEL ONLY:
    [​IMG]

    To resist the load of this being applied to them?:
    [​IMG]

    This is where your lack of structures comes into play. You don't understand the concepts being explained to you. So explain how you think each individual floor support system was supposed to resist that falling mass.
     
  3. genericBob

    genericBob New Member

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    My education in probability comes in handy here,
    you see to have every floor fail uniformly that is the
    plane of the failure being completely horizontal, because
    if it tipped, the center of gravity of the "pile driver" would
    shift off-center, and that would be the beginning of the end
    for this action, because it would not totally destroy the tower(s).
    there are more possible outcomes that would be NOT total
    destruction and really only one way to get it right that is
    to totally destroy the tower(s).
     
  4. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    No, it doesn't. Sorry.
    It wasn't uniform genericBob! Jesus H. Christ! When the upper section released, what do you think the core columns did to the floor below? That acted like spears! They drove right through the 4" thick concrete floors. The debris impacted all over the place in quick secession. LOCALIZED FAILURES.

    Just... wow...

    :roll:

    You honestly think the debris landed perfectly even?
     
  5. genericBob

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    First of all does invoking the name of the Messiah
    improve your argument?

    May I state here that to expect that the destruction
    of each floor progressed in a symmetrical & uniform
    manner, note that the whole floor would have to as
    much as disappear and all at the same time, because
    if the floor trusses held on in one part of that acre of
    area, the "pile driver" would have to tip, and in tipping
    cause a progression of events that would end in incomplete
    demolition of the tower(s).

    The complete demolition of the tower(s)
    makes the assumption that the floors would
    simply disintegrate upon overload and do so
    all at the same time and repeat that process
    at least 90 times over for the north tower.
     
  6. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    For the seconds time genericBob, the debris was NOT "symmetrical" and "uniform". The impacting debris hit each floor in different areas, but in quick succession. If you refuse to get this right, then I have nothing further to say. Stop misrepresenting my point of view.
     
  7. genericBob

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    do you or do you not see that if the plane of the
    destruction as the wave traveled down the tower(s)
    did not remain level, the tipping would cause the
    mass to spill out down the side of the tower, and
    therefore stop the "progressive collapse".
    The question for probability is: exactly how probable
    is it that the plane of the destruction remain level all
    the way down? I submit to you, that it is far more probable
    that it would not remain level, unless helped by some sort
    of intervention.
     
  8. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    There would be no tipping!!!

    The debris smashed right through the floors, shearing and breaking it up. Why is this so hard for you? You are asking in another thread for a debate for the non-PHD, yet you fail to grasp simple concepts.
     
  9. genericBob

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    but WHY would there be no tipping?
    the structure was under no obligation to break
    uniformly, and once the floors were imposed upon
    but a load to great to hold, would the truss connections
    at the outer wall and also at the core, uniformly let-go?
    or would some of them resist just a bit more than others?
    and also could the loading from above be relied upon to be
    completely uniform in nature or would there be concentrations
    of mass that asymmetrically imposed upon any given part of a
    deck? To say that it just happened to come down completely
    straight down as was observed, and it just happened to do that
    because of "localized failures" is asking a LOT.
    it is the least probable outcome of all the possible outcomes.
     
  10. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    :roll:

    Example,

    If I drop a box column vertically onto a 4" thick concrete floor and the impact force EXCEEDS the PSI rating of the floor in THAT LOCALIZED AREA, what do you think happens?
     
  11. genericBob

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    Obviously it breaks the floor in that local area, however
    allegedly in response to asymmetrical damage & asymmetrical
    fires, the tower(s) experienced total catastrophic failure of
    whole floors. WHY?

    for a picture, see #23 in "FEA data regarding WTC1"
     
  12. AveMariaGratiaPlena

    AveMariaGratiaPlena New Member

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    That may be the case but I'm not exactly inclined to seriously research a conspiracy theory. I'm sorry but the conspiracy theory just strikes me as so insane that I can't take it even remotely seriously.
     
  13. genericBob

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    Condemnation without investigation is madness.

    oops!
     
  14. psikeyhackr

    psikeyhackr Well-Known Member

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    To hell with conspiracies do the physics.

    That is the problem with this 9/11 crap. Most people on both sides think conspiracies are more important than physics.

    The Laws of Physics do not give a damn about people and human beings cannot change them.

    psik
     
  15. genericBob

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    I agree totally, Do the Physics!
    The towers & 7 had to have been helped along to do what was seen on 9/11/2001, added energy and I'm not speculating if that energy was from black powder or black magic, but the buildings had help.
     
  16. Hannibal

    Hannibal New Member

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    Yet there's zero evidence of either black powder or (HA) black magic ... so there you go.

    You are arguing from incredulity.
     
  17. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    Poll is too generic. It needs more options; more than just black and white.
     
  18. Hannibal

    Hannibal New Member

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    Yet the results are clear. Nothing stopping you from making your own poll, of course.
     
  19. genericBob

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    And once again we are back to exactly how is it known that there isn't any evidence of explosives at ground zero and you will say there is a document that states testing was done and I ask where is it and you come up with some sort of lame excuse why you can't produce it.
    oh well ......
     
  20. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    (from post #87)
    The proof of an inside job is crushing. Have you seen it?
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=348380&p=1063729867#post1063729867

    Take a look at some of that info and then watch this video.

    Why Can't They See The Truth? Psychologists Help 9 11 Truth Deniers
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xzmprkpxac

    It all makes sense if you look at the big picture.
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/search?q=lithium
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/search?q=iraq+oil+euro


    It was easy for me to be objective about the proof of an inside job because I was already aware of what the US government really is.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/history-past-politicians/371897-american-imperialism.html

    I can understand why it would be hard for someone who isn't aware of American imperialism to be objective about the inside job proof. Take a look at some of the info in the above thread.
     
  21. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    Hello Hannibal. I already did. And I gave more options and the results are radically different.
     
  22. Hannibal

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    Hmm. Fewer votes cast on your poll, and roughly a 10 percentage point difference in 'yes' answers.
    Excellent. What shall you do with those results?
     
  23. genericBob

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    link to other poll ..... please (?)
     
  24. 9/11 was an inside job

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    only someone who ditched junior high school science classes would not think it was an inside job.:roflol:

    its been proven over and over again it ws an inside job.these two videos here alone prove it was a joint CIA/mossad operation.the 9/11 apologists here never have any answers for them.:roll:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD_vwzjdTi4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68LUHa_-OlA
     
  25. 9/11 was an inside job

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    scott just like I did took all the 9/11 apologists here to school with that link he gave.
     

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