Do YOU Believe In Ghosts?

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Do YOU belive in ghosts, or any supernatural . . ?

  1. No

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    66.7%
  2. Yes

    8 vote(s)
    33.3%
  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    There is evidence of electricity. None for ghosts. Sorry.
     
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    I don't believe n 'ghost" , I believe in spirits which are usually demons pretending to be your long lost loved one. I have seen a "black shadow" (verified by others unsolicited stories of seeing the same thing in that place) and I have seen a lot of 2nd hand evidence of things from another realm.
     
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    If you hadn’t been exposed to the way electricity works, or magnetism, you wouldn’t see the evidence either.
     
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    Trouser ghosts?
     
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    Thanks for starting this interesting thread.

    I voted yes because the longer you live the more humble you become in realizing what is possible.

    More and more frequently, I have reason to think of the line in "Hamlet" that is approximately: "...there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy books"

    Plus, I don't know enough to say that there is not some sort of energy we generate that doesn't just disappear.

    Finally, I've heard recollections from very credible people that can only be explained by the existence of supernatural energy.
     
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    Try the urban dictionary!
     
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    Yes. A miasma indeed.
     
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    I didn't say anything about perceiving evidence. I talked about the existence of evidence. There is no evidence for ghosts. You can't see what doesn't exist. If it exists then some evidence will surface. Not likely.
     
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    Since @Sallyally and @ Moi621 were kind enough to like my earlier Post # 30, I feel obligated to explain in greater detail why I believe that there is sometimes a type of residual supernatural energy (aka ghosts) that exists after some people die.
    I don't know enough about that sort of energy to expound any further but from what I have heard, individuals whose actions live on after they die were energetic in life and have some sort of unresolved conflict that they seek to correct after they die.

    My grandfather was both strong willed and energetic. Still, 50 years after his death, there are aspects of his estate that remain unresolved but this story is not about that.

    This story is about minor events that occurred just a few years immediately after his death when I was helping the new owners clear out his belongings and care for his extensive grounds around the house..

    The new owner of my grandfather's house was the provost at one of Virginia's largest teaching hospitals/universities and his wife was a very businesslike M.D. Neither were especially fanciful people nor did they believe in ghosts.

    One day around Christmastime, I was rebuilding a stone wall near the pond and the wife very innocently asked me where my grandfather usually put the Christmas tree. I told her and offered to help move it to where ever she wanted it.

    To make a long story short, both she and her husband told me that no matter how securely they positioned the Christmas tree, it would be on its side in the morning. They had no pets, there was no wind, their children were away at school and no one had been in the house over the night.
    They secured the tree with wires to the wall, attached the base to the floor with screws but every morning the tree would be on its side.

    It was only when the Christmas tree was located at the end of the front hall where it had always been that it remained upright and no screws or wires were needed.

    My grandfather died in 1974 and as long as the Christmas tree has been placed in the "right" location, there has been no trouble with it falling over ever since.

    Thanks,
     
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    If you see the evidence for ghosts, please share it.
     
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    I'm not a believer I'm the rational explanation guy.
     
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    Did they live in a shotgun house??
     
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    yeah I tried that, rational explainations.. was it a waking dream,,, but everyone had it and they were not asleep; gases or electric or some such causing the phenomena (because it was seen by multiple people in multiple situations)?

    and Then the "double blind" was when we asked our Lord and Creator to remove it from the little house... then it left and was never seen there again, instead it migrated to another abode we have on our estate; it was really funny when the renters tried to explain the "little problem" they had with the place; they also asked the Lord to remove it, and no one has seen it since.. not sure if it's gone , but it certainly knows better than to manifest itself.
    I believe people see them all the time and do not recognize them as such..here it is much easier to spot someone out of place.. The Bible says they are demons pretending to be a loved one.. and that's what I believe. Some apparently are more evil than others (i.e. grandfather's Christmas Tree) and I do think that these could be demos that a person carried all there lives which had to stay behind when the human soul went on.
    AND as I post earlier.. I have seen photo graphic evidence presented by people that by no means have the expertise to photoshop the phenomena. Physicists say that there are at least 16 dimensions, and I think "things" come from one or more of those dimensions.
    So while they can't be "proved" true, they certainly can not be proved false.
     
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    If you mean my grandfather's old home the answer would be "no".

    His primary residence was a big, old stone house on a hill with a stream on either side, a fishing pond in the front and a view of the James River from the dining room. He also had a 6 bedroom log cabin / hunting - fishing lodge on the Potomac River with 5 miles of waterfront and an oceanfront home in Florida.

    The Christmas tree incident was in the front hall of his primary residence.
    The new owners tried to put the Christmas tree in the living room where it kept falling over in spite of their many efforts. After they moved the Christmas tree back to the front hall where it had always been, the tree stopped falling over.

    Thanks for your interest.
     
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    I’ve no evidence either way but if I do come across such evidence, I’ll certainly share it.
     
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    Well I'm not a believer in that I don't believe it. That being said I don't deny it. I saw some convincing evidence or something I couldn't explain any other way than paranormal I imagine that would change.

    Being that I don't know I can't claim to be a believer.
     
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    I ain't afraid a' no ghost.

    There's a curve in a RR near where I live and they say that some 50 or so of the Irishmen who were shanghaied to work on the Tracks in the 1850's are buried there,

    If you drink half of a quart bottle of Bushmills and go there late at night then you will surely awaken in the morning with the bottle empty beside you. Irrefutable proof as I see it.
     
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    I think time will come when ghosts are explained just like all the other previously magical things that came before.
    My favourite explanation is a quantum cloud made up of all the minds that came before us.
     
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    THE RUSH HOUR GHOSTS OF STONEHENGE

    Either I'm not a ghost-seeing sort of person or they chose not to include me in their antics and visitations. However, back in October of 1972 I had the wonderful opportunity to spend the night, alone, at Stonehenge which among many other things is the convergence of several underground rivers.

    Even though there is the feeling of a tremendous amount of energy, midnight came and went uneventfully so I stretched out on what is called the sacrificial stone and, still, no ghosts.

    Since it's not every night that you get a chance to be in such an enchanting setting, I didn't even try to sleep.
    Then, just before sunrise I thought that I heard an intermittent dragging sound. Naturally, I imagined hundreds of straining workers clad in the furry fashion of the era dragging enormous stones that were tearing into the ancient soil.

    Time passed, the sun rose and the dragging sounds became more frequent but I was content with the full knowledge that I had finally come close to having contact with ancient people from "the other side".

    Soon, Stonehenge was open for business again as the tour busses showed up and disgorged hundreds of eager tourists while I packed my few belongings.

    Before putting out my thumb to hitch-hike to my next adventure, I asked the head guard about the supernatural dragging sounds I heard. "Oh" he said, "that was simply the morning traffic of cars passing on the nearby motorway."

    So, it looked like the spirit world had decided to elude me again.
     
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    Depends whether you mean visual evidence or understanding. For a very long time humans saw strange lights in the sky but didn't understand them, now we do. For a long time people have described feelings of someone present, or vague visions, we do not yet understand them but one day we will. Then we will build machines to detect them, measure them, maybe even use them. Just like we have with electricity.

    I would say there is a very large body of evidence that ghosts exist, very many unrelated people have reported seeing them.
     
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    Sorry, that isn't evidence. It is whatever causes people to believe in extraterrestrial UFO's, Loch Ness Monsters and abominable snowmen. People can talk themselves into many strange things. We call it the placebo effect. It can be quite strong in some people. I once spent some time proving to audiophiles that digital interconnecting cables didn't have a sonic signature. They simply transmitted data. I staged a double blind listening test and achieved random results. You guessed it, they blamed it on the test.
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    Its the same evidence we had for electricity prior to understanding it. People saw things they didn't know what they were.
    Very many people experience a feeling that someone is watching them only to turn round and find someone just turning away.
    Current developments into quantum mechanics might eventually show we do share some awareness on a quantum level.
    Proof and evidence are linked but not the same.
     
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    I am a ghost.
     
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