Do you believe that a sitting president or staff is or should be above the law?

because he used AOL email, if you say so

 

can you provide evidence he never deleted a single email from his inbox?

he used AOL email, I doubt he was very computer savvy, not sure what he did with his old PC's, cellphones, ect.... did he wipe them, do not know - he should of if he did not

let me guess, you never wipe your old hard drives or cellphones, you just give them away with all the data on them?

they said Pence's AOL account was hacked, maybe someone got a old hard drive and that is how they hacked him, never know

 

Who is accusing Pence of deleting any classified or proprietary emails? If you remember, Hillary was forced by Congress to present 33,000 emails pertaining to national security. She refused to do so and they were deleted. Roughly 14K of the emails have been partially recovered by investigators. Mainly pertaining to Benghazi.

Now please, for the last time, cite for us where someone is accusing Pence of anything of the sort.

Surely if you're making a comparison like this, you have a link for Congress asking for Pence's deleted emails pertaining to national security.

Or are you going to deflect as usual without offering a link?

 

and yet, even trump's own DOJ has not pursued trump's demand she be locked up. He has repeatedly demanded criminal investigations and trials on twitter. All show and no go? or perhaps the DOJ is just ignoring the president demands. or perhaps no prosecutor thinks they can win in court? Who knows? One thing I do know is that the accusation and its implications of a fixed justice system are far more effective than actually taking the actions the accusations and accusers seem to constantly call for. Don't you find that a tad strange?

Fair enough. I disagree with your assessment of his performance, but his administration was remarkably scandal free (relatively of course).

 

like what?

 

They're not above the law. But to avoid frivolously law suits keeping a president tied up in court instead of doing his job, quite a lot of legal experts state the president can't be prosecuted while in office. This hasn't been ruled on by SCOTUS, so it is just an opinion. Once a president leaves office, prosecution for any crime or law suit can go forward. In other words, law suits are on hold until the president leaves office.

Congress has the authority and the power to remove a president for wrong doings. Their power is just removal, impeachment, then the courts can decide criminality. Of course, there are other legal experts who say all sorts of law suits can go forward while a president is in office.

Either way, the president or staff aren't immune.

 

Trump: 'I have the absolute right to pardon myself'

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/politics/donald-trump-pardon-tweet/index.html

 

K... can you elaborate on how that refutes my comment:
"Republican/Democrat describe political parties. republican/democrat describe adherents to a style of government.

In the US, if you support representative governance limited by a constitution, you are by definition a republican, though certainly not necessarily a Republican. Similarly, if you support representative governance with no limits, you are a democrat, though certainly not necessarily a Democrat.

As an example as it relates to the OP, a totalitarian president (who is above the law or is able to make the law) is not an option for those of the republican bent, though it certainly seems to be an option for some Republicans... anything is possible within a true democracy, including voting to abolish democracy and installing authoritarianism."?

 

oh so you were saying nothing while pretending to say something... got it... you were saying both sides are the same, I missed that

 

I don't believe the claims in your post. who said it?

 

sounded like you were, I accused him of using person email for government business - I do not know if he was a pack rat and never deleted one single email from his inbox in all the years he worked for the government or not

I am not gonna site you something I never claimed, do your own research

show me where it claims he turned 100% of his emails over and not just the ones he claims are government related emails

 

the only point I was making is the distinction between political ideology and party loyalism. A republican is not necessarily a Republican, etc.

 

yeah I missed that you were saying there was no difference between that parties

kinda like the ol Good people can be Christians, but not all Christians are good people

kinda like the ol Good people can be Muslims, but not all Muslims are good people

which of course applies to almost anything

kinda like the ol Good people can be Republicans, but not all Republicans are good people

kinda like the ol Good people can be Democrats, but not all Democrats are good people

 

I do not agree with your assessment regarding Obama. Maybe I can give you Clinton, but his transgressions were pretty minor.

That being said, no president should ever consider themself to be above the law.

 

I believe that on a regular basis the O trashed the law of the land, obliterated the meaning of the rule of law, actively used his office to attack his political opponents both domestic and foreign. I don't think I can remember another president who so abused the law.

 

What does this even mean?

You have one person who is asked to turn over emails who complies. Then you have the woman you voted and campaigned for, who deleted tens of thousands and smashed devices with hammers.

How are they comparable in your brain?

 

Well we will have to agree to disagree there.


But that being said. Just because one president commited transgressions, why do conservatives think that makes it okay for Trump? Why does it seem that at least while Trump is in power, that two wrongs make a right?

 

Whoever said anything about it being okay? Clearly, not me. I asked the question that given the precedent is this a model we need to anticipate and expect going forward. That isn't the same as approving of it, is it?

 

I wasnt limiting my comment to just you. You clearly didnt say such a thing. But many conservatives, when we complain about something unethical or even illegal that Trump is doing come back with "Oh but Clinton... Oh but Obama..." As if any transgression by a former president on the other side of the isle makes anything and everything okay.

 

simple, it means did he turn over all his personal emails... or only the emails he said were government related.....

we do not know if Pence complied or not, it was never verified, if it was, show me a link

 

Your line of thought is the same as devout religious: "Prove that what I say is not right!"

Until you provide me with a link to show any attempts of Pence or Ivanka (Congress already said she's complying), then you have no case.

We KNOW Hillary attempted to delete tens of thousands and have hard drives smashed.

All YOU are saying is "How do we know Pence didn't do the same" with zero links to back your assertion.

 

if your gonna make a claim... prove it... if not you agree with me... we have no idea if he only turned over the emails he said were government emails... we just have to take him at his word that all the personal emails were not government related in any way

regardless, the fact is, Pence and Ivanka used personal email for government business

 

I'm not making a claim, you're the one making the claim. I'm asking you to cite these emails Pence deleted and attempted to hide.

You have refused to cite this. You're just saying (literally) "How do we know he didn't?" without citing a source to confirm your suspicions.

 

nope, I just said they both used personal email like Hillary, you were the one adding in the other stuff

 

Hillary did more than just use personal emails. Though when that's mentioned, you keep deflecting.

It's called "trolling".

You can't compare Pence to Hillary. Only one of them has proven to destroy tens of thousands of pieces of evidence and smash devices.