Do you believe that what Trump said on the call to Ukraine was appropriate?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Golem, Oct 10, 2019.

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Was what Trump said to Zelensky on the infamous call appropriate?

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    If you do, congratulations! You are part of a select few Americans. A club that only 17% of Americans are in, according to the latest Fox poll.

    I think we may have been overestimating the number of actual cult loyalists. On this forum, the majority of the most active Republicans are definite hard-core even-if-he-stands-in-the-middle-of-the-street-and-shoots-somebody loyalists.

    So we tend to think that there are more than there actually appear to be. They only represent 17% of Americans. That's a statistical tie with the popularity of the BP oil spill in 2012

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    A tiny minority that makes a lot of noise.
     
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  2. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    The NPR-Marist Poll released this afternoon shows numbers slightly better for Trump. 26% But nowhere near the 33% that many assumed was the die-hard core Trump base. Trump is definitely in a downfall.

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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't forget about all the let downs for people that put too much faith in polls in 2016
     
  4. Capt Nice

    Capt Nice Well-Known Member

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    Everyone knows he's a con man and thief. Some people just won't admit it.
     
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    Not appropriate

    Period
     
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    It was a shakedown!!!
     
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  7. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Right. His core base loyalists will never admit it. But I'm staring to become convinced that it doesn't matter. They may be fewer than we thought.
     
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    GrayMan Well-Known Member

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    I am not a loyalist. I am just a bit of a utilitarian. What is the part that people find in appropriate just so that I understand...
     
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    Margot2 Banned

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    Trump is trash.. He's always been a liar and a cheat.. Why would anyone expect him to change?
    "“Proximity to an amoral leader reveals something depressing,” he wrote. “I think that’s at least part of what we’ve seen with Bill Barr and Rod Rosenstein. Accomplished people lacking inner strength can’t resist the compromises necessary to survive Mr. Trump and that adds up to something they will never recover from. It takes character like Mr. Mattis’s to avoid the damage, because Mr. Trump eats your soul in small bites.”


    James Comey
     
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    GrayMan Well-Known Member

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    Con man, I kind of get but how is refraining to give away our money until certain conditions are met, theivery?
     
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  11. Capt Nice

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    Every day he's stealing the integrity of every American, including you. It's o.k. that we disagree on that.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Ok. So you don't find anything inappropriate. A whooping 17% of Americans don't either. That's about the same percentage of Americans who believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth (18%) https://news.gallup.com/poll/3742/new-poll-gauges-americans-general-knowledge-levels.aspx

    The best way to understand what's inappropriate would be to read it. But if you already read it and couldn't find a problem, I don't think explaining it to you would do much good.

    Those percentages would seem surprisingly large to anybody who is not a Trump loyalist (as well as to anybody who has ever seen a picture of the Solar System) But it is way down from numbers in the 30s that we used to see who believed Trump's most outlandish lies.
     
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    Do you believe that what Trump said on the call to Ukraine was appropriate?

    I think the call was totally appropriate. I don't get the 17% figure. Are you saying 83% of the polled people cannot be wrong?
     
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    Ukraine was the source of the bogus Steele dossier. It is the most corrupt nation in Europe. Of course it is appropriate for the US President to ask the new Ukrainian leader to investigate corruption in his country.

    Do you think what Biden and his son have done is appropriate ???
     
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    Stealing would infer that he has integrity after taking mine.
     
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    GrayMan Well-Known Member

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    I don't believe things just because others believe it. That is a boring, unscientific and blindly religious way to live.
     
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    Maybe they're coming to realize that when the time is appropriate for him (as in after they vote for him in 2020), they'll go the way of the Kurds.
     
  18. Capt Nice

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    He's also stealing our money. I understand we tax payers have paid a lot for his political campaigning. I also have see that an eight year old has proven his wall between us and Mexico doesn't work. (the wall that trump used our money to build)

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/climbe...-virtually-impenetrable-border-wall-1.4632380
     
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    I think there has also been an element of peer acceptance with this. It is why we hear so much about his crowd sizes and how much he has raised etc. As his popularity falls it will embolden those who have felt uncomfortable and pretty soon there will be a free fall
     
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    All politician are Cons, liars and cheats, so what's your point again?
     
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    Inappropriate or not, it isn't impeachable by itself or with the WB complaint. The whole thing looks more like a partisain hit job.

    We know the WB was working with Schiff and there have been some guesses that the person may have ties with Biden as well.

    I do think Trump should cooperate with the investigation, if only to clear his name. But at the same time, congress should put it to a vote and open a formal inquiry.
     
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    Well that's just hopeful wishing :) Reminiscent of the type of thing we laughed at in 2016.. Well actually, we still laugh about it now too!
     
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    Some Americans have become accustom to accepting deals where the U.S. just signs on the bottom line regardless of how far we must "Literally" bend over to reach the document!!
     
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    Most of the crowd around here would still support him if they personally were the one getting shot, Likely send him an apology/thank you letter, sorry for offending him and grateful for the honor of being shot by his divine majesty and put in their place.:roll:
     
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    Congress has always had a poor approval rating. Its been a regular joke for almost two decades now ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
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