Do you have the right to say that a “rich” person isn’t paying enough taxes?

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  1. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    You can thank the progressive-socialists who cartelized our banking system and monopolized money.
     
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    An infantile argument? Lawyers get paid for producing nothing of benefit to society. Yes, they may make one group more money while screwing another group out of their money. But if you got rid of lawyers altogether, you wouldn't need to worry about that because everyone would make more money. Obviously, the marketplace misallocates resources as well, and I'd argue more so than government control. The misallocation of resources by the free market affects me, so I do care what happens.
     
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    No, governments shouldn't determine what prices things should be. The government should invest more in science and technology, improve education, and fund development of better energy sources. One form of price setting the government uses is tax breaks and incentives, and I'm against most of these because they fund things that shouldn't work by themselves. I do, however, favor higher income taxes. The income tax is about the most fair tax there is, and doesn't favor one group over another like incentives and tax breaks do. Governments shouldn't micromanage, but they can be much more efficient than the market for larger things. Eventually, government should control all finances and make everything free, but only when we have the technology to do so.
     
  4. danielpalos

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    Why would banks and banking be a problem under any form of capital based system of markets?
     
  5. Ethereal

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    The fact that lawyers are voluntarily paid by market participants for their services utterly disproves your idiotic and overly simplistic assertion.
     
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    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    Your question does not make sense grammatically or contextually.
     
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    You haven't proven or disproven anything. Prove that all forms of free market are better than all forms of government control. You can't do it because it's not true.
     
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    You are welcome to present your propaganda and rhetoric if you want.
     
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    He's just telling you what basically everyone else has said; you don't make any sense.
     
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    Non sequiturs are usually considered fallacies.

    Thank you for ceding the point and argument those of the opposing view didn't have.
     
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    What was grammatically wrong in that question?
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    We know they're still rich, and we know that if they should pay more taxes, we can't expect them to advocate that plan for us. Right?
     
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    How can anyone have any problem with economic forms of discrimination under any form of Capitalism, but not Socialism?
     
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    Legal right yes; moral right is a different idea.
     
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    What about the moral right to claim that the wealthiest should be paying the most taxes during any time of war, even our wars on abstractions?

    In my opinion, merely paying for a War on Poverty or drugs on a generational basis, but not actually solving poverty should be considered for-cause criteria for higher taxes until the wealthiest convince our elected representatives to put words on formerly blank pieces of paper that have the effect of actually solving our social dilemmas and enact them with the force of law.
     
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    The simple answer to the OP is this, until we can completely revamp the tax code, the average consumer, small business (95% make less than 250K) and the poor cannot afford more tax. In fact, they cannot afford a sick hooker a hotcake. The only segment left are the wealthy who are doing quite well since the '08 bust. So, yes, we must tax them since there is no other revenue available and they are under-taxed to begin with.
     
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    In my opinion, artificial persons are the wealthiest and should be taxed the most.
     
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    The poor don't pay taxes. The middle class is fine. They don't pay much taxes. The rich already pay more taxes, as they should. Overall, everyone can afford to pay more taxes to reduce the deficit, and invest money in better things besides drugs, casinos, and TV's.
     
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    That is a bald falsehood. They pay sales taxes, excise taxes, gas taxes, etc.
    Two more bald falsehoods. The middle class pays the great majority of all taxes, and the increase in inequality, swelling the ranks of the poor, proves the middle class is anything but fine.
    But they don't pay nearly as MUCH more as they should.
    One can always think of ways to invest more wisely. But that is not really relevant to the issue of where the tax burden should fall.
     
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    In my opinion, it is not so much that we have to pay taxes, but that many of our public policies don't actually provide for the general welfare and the general prosperity.
     
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    What objection is there to simplifying our tax codes and ending classifications such as capital gains, in favor of treating all revenue as income for tax related purposes?
     
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    No objection here.
     
  23. oldjar07

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    How so?
     
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    Our War on Drugs is a prime example of a public policy which does not provide for the general welfare while enabling wealthy persons to make more money simply because they already have a lot of money. Investing in drug testing companies is one example.
     
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    Drugs contribute to decline in health in society, so how is trying to get rid of drugs not providing for the general welfare?
     

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