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Do you love America?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by XXJefferson#51, Jul 8, 2023.

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    Why is it that liberals in the United States are so much less proud of America than conservatives? These days, the answer typically given is America’s inherent sinfulness; there is nothing in the American founding worth conserving…

    …America, to these types, is a platform for utopianism rather than a set of ideals worthy of emulation. The Declaration of Independence was a lie; the Constitution was merely a guise for power. And the quest for a perfect world must begin in tearing down such institutions with whatever means are at our disposal. The ends justify the means.

    Thus, while Democrats fulminate over supposed threats to democracy, a federal judge this week ruled that the Biden administration violated the First Amendment in pressuring social media companies to restrict free speech regarding COVID-19 and the Hunter Biden laptop scandal, among others;..

    Respect for the founding means respect for founding principles. Biden and his ilk have used a misinterpretation of one founding principle — “equality” — to vitiate the natural rights for which the founders originally fought. When the founders said that “all men are created equal,” they meant specifically that human beings had been “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” They did not mean, as Biden suggests, that all human beings ought to be made equal in result, or that indeed, all human beings are equal in all capacities. Biden’s idea is utopian nonsense;..

    Patriots celebrate the founding for what it was: a breakthrough in the nature of human governance, a ringing statement in favor of liberty from the heavy hand of tyranny…





    https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/07/06/ben-shapiro-do-you-love-america-1374445/








    The differences between the conservative and the secular left about love of country are deep and stark. The divide could not possibly be greater. The left has made their perfect utopia the enemy of exceptional America’s more perfect Union envisioned by the founders and our founding documents.
     
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    I can proudly say that I love our exceptionally great and awesome as founded 1776 America made into a more perfect Union and put America first!
     
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    why do Republicans think America is not great and hate it so, is it our religious freedoms, equal rights, what?
     
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    Except people who didn't look like them, women, blacks, ect.
     
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    Were slaves and women created equal?
     
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    I can proudly say that I love our exceptionally great and awesome as founded 1776 America made into a more perfect Union and that I always put America first!
     
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    do you have children? Are they perfect? Because if they’re not then why do you love them? You shouldn’t
     
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    Strawman.
     
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    Exactly. Expecting perfection and never forgiving mistakes is not rational behavior toward one’s child or one’s country.
     
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    and james baldwin would counter that because he loves america, that give him the right to critize it, only RW propaganda refers to this criticism as
    hatred" my friend
     
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    "I love America more than any other country in this world and, precisely for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually."
    -- James Baldwin
     
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    "patriots" like @XXJefferson#51 claim to love america but constantly hate the various anerican states, people, government etc.

    and "amnerica first?" right, but not isolated from the rest of the planet and beyond.
     
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    An analogy is not a strawman but nice try. Either disagree that’s it’s an inaccurate analogy which, oh no, will require you to actually think, or run run away
     
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    Why do some Conservatives come up with the idea that their nationalism, as a religion, while espousing hatred and un-American ideals against their fellow Americans, is what is required to love America?
     
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    I know what he is talking about, and my reply to Wgabrie is this- "The truth is always seen as hateful by those that hate the truth"
     
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    No one said criticism is always unwarranted or off limits. It’s the refusal to accept that progress has been made and only only pick at scabs of past mistakes to make sure that they never heal that is the issue here. Hating America is a grievance industry to many on the left.
     
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    I'm sorry if you've been living under a rock, but get out from under it and look at the world around you.

     
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    i dont deny progress has been made, again its the RW media lashing out that i see on this forum
     
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    Kissing Trump's puckered ass is not "patriotism". Sorry.
     
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    Love my country, it's government - not so much.
     
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    And it stands as our nations founding document based on the then enlightened era of the time. Holding past people to todays standards and norms and dismissing said past if it wasn’t perfect is the straw man here. You go away while real Americans celebrate our Independence Day and year.
     
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    Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work, and then get elected and because of their hatred of government, cannot make it work due to their incompetence.
     
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    We aren’t the ones lashing out at America here…
     
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    Yes, you are. You support the traitor, Trump.
     
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    It is Biden who is the traitor to America here
     
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