Do you not see? Democrats OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE!

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  1. Mike12

    Mike12 Well-Known Member

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    They promised there was collusion with Russia, that Trump was a 'Russian agent', that Trump's behavior was 'treasonous'. After 2 years of an extremely intrusive investigation, headed by one of the most thorough, honest men, Trump has been cleared. Mueller found no collusion, no matter what the left says, NO COLLUSION to commit any crime. The DOJ then concluded there was not sufficient evidence for an obstruction of justice charge.

    NOW.. THE TABLES HAVE TURNED.

    1. IG is looking at Fisa warrant abuses
    2. AG Barr has asked Connecticut U.S. Attorney John Durham to look into actions taken by intelligence agencies, FBI, DOJ to see if actions were lawful and appropriate. The actions under review are the surveillance of Trump campaign and how Trump became a target based on fake democratic paid for Russian information (fake dossier).
    3. Trump has given AG power to declassify all intelligence info necessary to aid AG in reviewing how Trump campaign was investigated by federal government

    Now you see Comey turning on Rosenstein, Brennan, Clapper, Lynch, Comey playing blame game.

    The democrats are desperately trying to discredit Barr, holding him in contempt, wanting to remove him. They are now looking seriously at impeachment, fabricating stories of cover ups and constitutional crisis in an attempt to build a phony case against the president. Barr and Trump are targets of a scheme to OBSTRUCT JUSTICE!
     
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    The other night Rachel Maddow looked totally blindsided when she read on the air that Trump was going to be declassifying the information about the FISA warrants.

    Adam Schiff called it UnAmerican.

    My comment.... It is about fric'ing time.
     
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    I find it ironic that nearly everything that is good for the United States the political Left ends up calling UnAmerican.
     
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    The hypocrisy is beyond belief. They all didn’t want the Starr report released back in 90s, including nadler, now they want full Mueller report released. They all wanted transparancy and info to be declassified, including puffy schiff, now they don’t.

    They are trying to impede the real investigation, into how the federal government turned on a political opponent, in a conspiracy. They are trying to remove Barr, impeach Trump.. This IS OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.
     
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    Somebody was saying yesterday that when Trump reached his 13th birthday, he stopped growing up mentally. And everything he says and does seems to fit.

    Now he's full in with the "I'm rubber, you're glue" strategy. He has not become aware that, beyond Middle School, it doesn't work in the real world.

    As for investigating the investigators.... I'm just a middle of the road American who wants to see anybody and everybody who has broken the law in prison. The rest makes absolutely no difference to me. If somebody in the Intelligence agencies broke the law when they started the investigations... lock them up too! A cell next to Trump's would be nice so they can scream at each other for the next 20 years!
     
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    Glad to see you want transprency but then you lose all logic and reason when you claim trump committed crimes. Mueller and DOJ already cleared him.
    Let’s talk after all these investigations on the investigators are over, i have a feeling this is going to be an enormous wake up call for all americans and a shock to people like you.
     
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    You're happy because you don't have a clue about what that all means. You have no idea why your nuclear power plants haven't been sabotaged or why there hasn't been any more airplanes flying into skyscrapers. You don't know whose information prevented a saran attack in our city subways or the poisoning of our reservoirs. You don't have any understand at all about sources and what will happen once those sources dry up and we don't receive these 'heads up' any longer by sources all over the world that are our allies. I just have to shake my head at the ignorance of the American people and the lack of knowledge about how national intelligence works and how many people are working every single day keeping this country safe from an attack on our technology sectors and our infrastructure.

    But, with so many ignorant people in this country, it looks like we're all about to find out what the ramifications are going to be. Hopefully, not too many Americans will die because of it.
     
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    Not according to the Mueller Report. It could not be more specific in stating that it does not clear him.

    And Barr "clearing" him... that's just a political talking point. Not worth much..

    A shock? We have a President who is a criminal, and lies and commits impeachable offenses just about every day. I can't think anything can be more shocking than that.
     
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    clears him on collusion of committing crimes. FACT. On obstruction, DID NOT CHARGE or even suggest Trump committed a crime. FACT.

    Barr cleared him, FACT. Discrediting Barr is what i call pathetic..


    ALL opinion. NOTHING FACTUAL in this statement you just made.
     
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    I believe this week in American politics will be quite memorable.
     
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    Yes but do you think intelligence agencies can operate in a vacuum and never be investigated?
     
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    The Mueller Report doesn't deal with collusion at all. We already went through that. Mueller did not charge him with a crime because a sitting President cannot be charged with a crime. And strictly following OLC rules and proper prosecutorial practices, he can't even be accused of a crime, as stated on the Mueller report.. But he did make it clear that Trump could be charged with obstruction (and other crimes) after he left office.

    This has nothing to do with the fact that Barr discredited himself. Even if Barr were a saintly figure. Barr didn't "clear" him. He simply didn't prosecute. Barr doesn't have the power to clear him. Any prosecutor can take the evidence and decide to file charges when Trump is no longer President. However, I have a feeling (opinion) that "obstruction" will not be Trump's greatest legal problem in 2021

    I make it very clear when what I say is an opinion. The only one I have issued is clearly marked right above this. Everything else is factual. Most of it documented on the Mueller report.
     
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    WRONG, FALSE. Mueller report doesn't state this, it is your biased opinion with no facts to back it up.
    Mueller never indicated there was sufficient evidence to charge for obstruction. NEVER.



    BHAHAHAHAHAHA So you have been saying all along that Mueller DIDN'T CLEAR Trump and now saying Barr can't clear Trump? So Mueller has the power to exonerate (or not) but Barr doesn't? Be consistent! Do not claim Mueller didn't clear Trump and then tell me Barr can't clear Trump. The fact is, and i will correct both of us, NEITHER Mueller nor Barr can exonerate anyone, they either charge or they don't. Mueller didn't charge and Barr didn't charge. Whilst Mueller left it as 'inconclusive' Barr made a conclusion - 'No sufficient evidence to charge for obstruction' and this is the FINAL ruling from DOJ. FACT.
    No prosecutor (or judge) will overrule DOJ on obstruction, it is not precedent and i've heard even liberals mention this. It would be extremely rare... The truth is, DOJ's conclusion is final unless congress impeaches, but there IS NO EVIDENCE OF obstruction... it's a fantasy. Trump provided an unprecedented # of documents to Mueller, cooperated to the full extent, never covered up anything, didn't even use executive privilege when he could've. Merely suggesting Mueller should be replaced due to conflicts of interest IS NOT OBSTRUCTION, EVEN A LIBERAL JUDGE WOULDN'T charge. Stop dreaming... Trump is not the one who committed crimes, now let's wait and see what the 'investigators' did...


    No, you claim there are facts that are not there... it's dreaming, wake up.
     
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    Can't you read? Pay attention! Again: Following OLC rules and proper prosecutorial practices, he can't state that there is sufficient evidence to charge him of a crime!

    But he can show the evidence that he found. Which is what he did.

    Neither has the "power". But Mueller would have had the credibility, for all intents and practical purposes, to "clear" him. He did not. Just like he, for all intents and purposes, cleared him of conspiracy to interfere in our elections. That's the power that "credibility" gives you. Which Mueller has, and Barr does not. Much less Trump.

    You need to start thinking "real world". You have lived in a fantasy, made-up world for far too long.

    Technically correct. In practice...not so much. As proven, as I said, by the fact that Mueller has exonerated Trump in respect to criminal conspiracy to intervene in our elections. Nobody would dare question that at this point. Doesn't mean that it's completely impossible that more information might not surface at some point. But it is so unlikely nobody would give it a serious thought.

    Wrong! The OLC mandate is clear. And already explained above.


    Don't be ridiculous. First of all yes, it is obstruction. But he didn't merely "suggest" anything. He ordered.McGahn to call Rosenstein ant tell him that Mueller had to go.
     
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    irrelevant, stay on point. I simply stated Mueller didn't charge Trump and Mueller NEVER said he didn't charge Trump because of OLC opinion. THIS IS FACT. YOU CANNOT REFUTE IT. Mueller provided evidence on both sides, so as a matter of fact, he never said what you are saying he said. You are making things up..


    You have proven to have ZERO credibility. You said prosecutors don't clear but then claim Mueller can, Barr can't.

    You represent too many Americans that cannot and will not look at facts and make decisions based on facts. You want to believe in something so bad that no matter what facts show, you will find a way to twist the facts and create evidence out of thin air. The facts are simple and irrefutable. Mueller DID not find collusion to commit crimes (call it conspiracy of you want, same thing) and he didn't determine there was obstruction and HE DID NOT state he didn't charge because of OLC, this is you making up stuff. DOJ then determined there wasn't sufficient evidence for obstruction charge, FACT. Listen to what Barr said.


    you said prosecutors don't clear, expect Mueller... what a joke


    YOU HAVE ZERO EVIDENCE that Mueller didn't charge because of OLC opinion, ZERO. It's just a convenient thing to say as Mueller didn't charge. Barr said he asked Mueller if he didn't charge because of OLC opinion and Mueller said no, if Barr lied about it, why isn't everyone saying he lied? Barr said this!



    It not obstruction. Everyone has the right to question conflicts of interest. Trump felt Mueller created a team full of democrats who had been caught talking BS about him, he had every right to question Mueller. That team was full of conflicted agents and investigators and there was NO CRIME to cover up! In the end, Mueller was allowed to do his job and was given everything he asked for. THERE WAS NO OBSTRUCTION. This was a bogus investigation, based on probably unlawful, inappropriate actions of intelligence agencies/DOJ and Trump was angry... this investigation should've never started, Mueller should've been fired and his whole team disbanded. It was a waste of tax payer money... no crime was ever there.
     
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    It will blow over.

    All of this "FISA Warrant" BS is RW Tinfoil Hat stuff.
     
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    I see, so the claim there were FISA warrants is not true.Well why didn't you tell us this before?
     
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    They may indeed. A cute name for Democrats.
     
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    ya nice try
     
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    Americans will not die because of exposing the corruption of the agencies. Americans will live and prosper because instead of agents giving false information to courts, the rule of law will be upheld and criminals will be charged for perjury and lying under oath.
     
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    Just another week of outrageous buffoonery in this abortion of a Presidency. The Congressional investigations will go on and Barr’s phony sham will be played out on the Hannity show for the sake of the Fox dupes. Won’t change the fact that Trump obstructed justice or that those who started this investigation were well within their job description. More and more facts will be revealed in the weeks and months ahead and hopefully Trump will get his ass ousted and back into reality TV where it belongs.
     
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    The FISA warrants will be deemed legal and proper. Trump and Barr’s stall game will be exposed and shut down by the courts.
     
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    You can't abort everything you dislike.

    All your bases are belong to Trump.
     
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