Do You Support a Constitutional Convention?

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Do you support a Constitutional Convention?

  1. Yes

    17 vote(s)
    36.2%
  2. No

    30 vote(s)
    63.8%
  1. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think it is time for a Constitutional Convention. Please select your choice in the poll and then tell us what you are thinking. What are your reasons for your selection? What are your fears? How do you think it might make us a better country? Why would it make this country worse?

    Below is a general definition of Article Five of the Constitution to explain what would need done. It isn't an easy process. Any suggested changes have a better chance of failing than becoming a part of the Constitution.




    Mark Meckler is petitioning for a convention. He believes it is time to check the powers of the federal government. You can take a look at his and others comments and issues here.

    https://selfgovern.com/author/mark/

    Here's a link to the COSAction.

     
  2. Seth Bullock

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    Yes. Because there are things we have no chance of getting without it.

    (1) Term limits on members of Congress

    (2) A balanced budget amendment

    (3) A repeal of the 17th Amendment

    (4) A redefinition of the power of Congress with regard to war. I would give Congress the explicit and sole authority to decide if the country goes to war, enters into hostilities, deploys the military to a war zone, attacks other countries, or attacks an enemy in a foreign country. An exception given to the military to defend itself, and to the President in the event of a surprise attack or an imminent attack by a foreign country or enemy.

    (I believe this was the Founders' intent, but it needs to be more explicit.)
     
  3. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree.
     
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  4. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here are a few videos from the COSA site. Take a look, if you'd rather not read. I do think everyone should at least be informed of what is going on. These are serious matters. This isn't a joke of any kind. Folks want change.




     
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  5. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    https://conventionofstates.com/resources
     
  6. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see someone voted "no". That's fine. I hope you have the courage to post why you don't want a convention. I think it's important for voices to be heard.
     
  7. yguy

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    No, the one and only time for that was in 1787. Now it's time for a Convention of States, aka an Article 5/Amendments Convention.

    And I dunno why the hell you bothered with Wikipedia when you could just quote A5.
     
  8. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I submit to your wise observance. I absolutely made a mistake in naming this thread and in naming the question in the poll.


    May I submit a correction or is it too late? With this post, I would like everyone to consider my mistake and the question:


    Do you support a Convention of States as the proper nomenclature and answer the questions with this change as consideration.
     
  9. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Looks like this thread is a bust. I hoped to get some discussion, but no one can take it seriously, since I made a mistake in the title and poll question.

    Please post you reasons why your don't want a Convention of States. Thank you.
     
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    imo there's a good chance that a new constitutional convention would go awry and the people end up much worse off.

    Whatever needs to be changed can be done by the amendment process if the people are truly behind the amendment.

    I say be exceedingly careful before supporting the opening of this box of chocolates.
     
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  11. Bob0627

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    I'm the 2nd no vote. I've listed what Amendments I'd like to see repealed and those I'd like to have as part of the current Constitution. I don't believe a Constitutional Convention will do what is intended (I don't even see any details at the site provided) and I do believe it will do more harm than good. The current Constitution has been perverted by SCOTUS and ignored by the other 2 branches of government to the point where it no longer has any relevance. There's no reason to believe why a new Constitution will not be equally perverted. I do believe that several of the Amendments I proposed will close the many Trojan Horses within the current Constitution, especially Item #1.

    Here's what I'd like to see modified in the current Constitution:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/proposed-constitutional-amendments.507699/
     
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    Maybe a moderator will edit the OP for you.
     
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  13. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I saw the thread. I'll have to read more of it to understand. There is a great deal of information there. I've made a mistake in the title. I know these folks don't want a new Constitution as much as they want to make changes to the amendments and give states more power so folks can control their own destiny .

    These folks believe government has too big a hand in our lives at this time. Some of the videos and links here will help you see what they are interested in changing. I encourage you to look around.

    Oh, and thanks for replying.
     
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    Request sent. We'll see what happens.
     
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    Then the mechanism to do that is already part of the current Constitution. Creating a new Constitution IMO is a dangerous endeavor.

    I've been studying the Constitution, civil rights laws, case "law" and many related articles by constitutional scholars for the last couple of decades now. I filed a federal lawsuit years ago on a sui juris basis and learned much on the fly. That's why I proposed the changes you can read in the thread I created. I encourage YOU to look around and try to understand the changes I've proposed. I also encourage you to participate in the discussion about those changes since you want changes as well.

    Thank you for starting this thread, I'm always up for a discussion on changing the Constitution. We know it doesn't work as it stands and that's why these threads exist. Government will always try to pervert any Constitution, no matter what the contents. Part of my proposal includes full participation and deep involvement in government actions by the citizens to try to prevent government from undoing its chains.

    "The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first." - Thomas Jefferson, principle author of our founding document, the Declaration of Independence
     
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    Due to the liberal leanings of this country, the masses would immediately scrap the First, Second, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendments to the Constitution.

    Religious institutions would be outlawed.

    The have nots would demand the "rich" give them free healthcare, housing and taxpayer paid abortions. It's bad enough as is.
     
  17. Chester_Murphy

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    I agree. It would have been better if I used in the title, "Convention of States".

    Both of you are way beyond my knowledge. I'm for looking at what we have and trying to make it better. I have no clue what that process would entail, except the little that I've read. I would have to research each idea for change and see if it is worth attempting or if it is covered. I did read some of your thread. It's long and complicated.

    I agreed with the other member, though he is a bit......not sure of the word, condescending in his posts. I did not get into much of your replies. I did see where you have fought your own cases. I don't understand why or how we could get rid of judges and magistrates, and I don't know why we'd want to do that.

    He made some cases about keeping what we have, since much of what you wanted is covered already, but enforcing laws is an issue.

    There was also a question about the Fed Reserve. What would be done there to demand, I forget, payment in another currency, or to use another? Use bitcoin? No thanks.

    I didn't get very far.
     
  18. Chester_Murphy

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    I considered those as downsides of a CoS. I'm not too concerned with it, as this group would not support those, as far as I know. You can look at the site and dispute my assertions. That's fine. I'll learn something, too.
     
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    The thread will be kept. Please continue with your opinions and thoughts. I'll try to bring some also.
     
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    How does this happen and why what would cause them to do the will of the people?

    How would justice be served and how would sentences be determined and distributed?

    Do lobbyists pay for favors or make it easy for some to make huge sums, like through insider information on the stock market?


    How do we do this when folks are voting more than once, and registering to vote as legal citizens when they are not, as in Illinois, Indiana and Pennsylvania, to name a few states with issues?
     
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    I'll consider anything you can tell me that might lead one to understand this, but eventually wouldn't the bulk of America have a say in this Convention?
     
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    I believe it's 38 states to ratify an amendment to the Constitution. It seems like they want to move some power back to the states. They want to keep some power with the feds, concerning war, but how the fed handles that, they want changed.

    I think they want Congress to be able to declare war and the president only able to use the military under certain circumstances. Isn't that in the Constitution? Yes, but the presidential powers have changed to include more than originally intended, or at least that's how I understand it. I'm open to being corrected.

    I think most can get behind that one.
     
  23. Chester_Murphy

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    It seems firearms owners are afraid of this CoS.

    I've been looking and can't find a reason. If someone know, please provide a link and some commentary. thanks.
     
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    First, it's impossible to do anything "immediately" via A5. Second, this process is not being initiated by liberals, so I don't know how you figure they're gonna commandeer it. Third, if 38 states can be persuaded to officially gut the Constitution, the country's finished, and the sane minority might just as well know it now.
     
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    Emphasis mine. I don't see them gutting the constitution. I see them taking away powers added that weren't meant to be in the Constitution. If you would like to elaborate, we can se what you mean. At the moment, I see only unfounded fear.
     

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