do you think there is an original in the hawaii vault ??

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does the original exist ?

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    is there really an original in the book of original birth certificates in the vault at hawaii dept of health ? or is the "virtual copy" online all there is ?
     
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    I think there are many original birth certificates in the archives of the Department of Health in Hawaii. I think there are also many original birth certificates on file in the appropriate archives of my own state of California. And the State of Texas, and Alaska...and every other state.

    Thats what they do. Store originals so they can generate certified copies for people to use to prove their identities.

    You could probably get more information on how states store original birth certificate by checking with the State of Hawaii or your own state.
     
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    wong said hospitals usually destroy the originals.
     
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    honestly, does it matter?

    He's done in a little over a year from now and focusing on getting that done is vital to the country. Stirring up his citizenship is just noise vs completing the good work which was started in Nov 2010.

    You only have so much energy, I suggest putting it to use where it will do the entire country the most good. Dump Obama 2012.
     
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    Does it really matter at this point in time? This is just stupid conspiracy theory rhetoric. Get over it already, there are many reasons he needs to go but a baseless claim that he faked his citizenship is just plain STUPID!!
     
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    I think the main mystery regarding "contents" is what's inside the head of Birthers who still persist at this point.
     
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    Personally, I think Obama is a fraud. An original in the vault? Not.

    What is more important to me is how the MSM perpetuated the fraud of Obama, who he is, who he associates with, his being seeped in socialistic values from birth, his pastor, etc. The vault door has been opened by taking a look at who Obama is and what he stands for. Time to vote the liar out of office.
     
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    I don't know what Wong said but it is my understanding that hospitals do not keep their records beyond what they are required to by law. So for instance the hospital where my daughter was born probably doesn't have any original records left.

    But the original official birth certificates are not kept at the hospitals.
     
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    Are all Haawaiin paper birth certificates kept in a vault?
     
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    What is more a mystery to me is how conspiracy theorists just assume any evidence contrary to their beliefs just means the conspiracy is broader.

    Two different administrations in Hawaii- one Republican and one Democrat- have confirmed that Obama's original birth certificate is on file in Hawaii, and that he was born there.

    However, if the voters decide to elect someone else, then that of course is our Constitutional process, and you won't find me 4 years from now pretending that the new President is not the President just because I didn't vote for him.
     
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    that's giving up on principles...
     
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    that's where i got mine.
     
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    Really? I am very curious about this. Not that I expect real answers, but is it an actual official certified copy of your original birth certificate or is it a hospital souvenir copy, such as the one I got when my daughter was born?

    If it is an actual official certified copy, I would love to know what state you were born in, because every place I have looked into, official birth certificates are maintained by either the state or local municipalities- not hospitals.
     
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    i don't think they had souvenirs as birth certificates in 1961, until 4/27/11
     
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    Why am I not shocked that your reply was completely non-responsive?

    Really? I am very curious about this. Not that I expect real answers, but is it an actual official certified copy of your original birth certificate or is it a hospital souvenir copy, such as the one I got when my daughter was born?

    If it is an actual official certified copy, I would love to know what state you were born in, because every place I have looked into, official birth certificates are maintained by either the state or local municipalities- not hospitals.


    There are times when I think we could have an actual discussion, rather than you just cutting and pasting Birther talking points. Your discussion of your own Birth certificate gave me hope we could have an actual substantive discussion.

    Silly me.
     
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