Do you think Trump was justified in asking Ukraine to look into potential corruption involving the B

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Was Trump justified in asking Ukraine to look into potential corruption involving the Bidens?

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  1. Babalu

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    Do you think Trump was justified in asking Ukraine to look into potential corruption involving the Bidens?

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    PRES. TRUMP'S QUOTE FROM CALL TRANSCRIPT:

    https://www.westernjournal.com/gop-...m_content=2019-12-13&utm_campaign=pushtraffic
     
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  2. DaveBN

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    Maybe, and if he went about it in an intelligent way he wouldn’t be dealing with all this right now.
     
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    There might be some validity to your comment. But how would you have advised him to go about it?

    By the way, I saw that you had 999 Likes.

    I just put you at 1,000.


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    How would you intelligently ask a foreign president to lie about investigating your potential opponent?
     
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    I think yes. But it was dumb because he should have known that his political rivals, once learning of it, would distort it to their own ends/goals.
     
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    I believe there is evidence which suggests how LITTLE Trump had to fear from Biden even before the call to Zelensky.

    This right here would make ANY Presidential challenger rest easy at the prospect of facing Biden in ANY election.



    The Left and Libs are not able to see themselves clearly. And that includes seeing their candidates clearly.

    That explains why all of them are so enthused about every one of the Socialists in the 2020 Democrat herd.

    When you dont know how Biden ended his campaign on the day he started it, (see the video) you would believe he actually posed a threat to the President's re-election chances.

    Pfft.
     
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    Trumps issue was that he used personal rather than orthodox channels but then he had good reason not to trust the FBI.
     
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    I dont understand what you mean.
     
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    No quid pro quo without a quo.
     
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    He couldn't trust the FBI. But he also didnt know who he could trust in the State Dept. Dept of Justice. The CIA. Or even the military higher ups.

    That is why the Deep State Leftists, Liberals, Never Trumper RINO's and the Media are fighting him so hard.

    The swamp he is draining has been their home for decades and he is bringing it all down.

    Their lives and careers are going to be ruined.

    They MUST STOP HIM at all costs.
     
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    Pretend I am a 1st grader, please.
     
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    Trump had every right to talk to Zelensky about investigating prior corruption from the previous Ukrainian administration and why investigations into Burisma were shut down. It was an unforced error on Trump's part to bring up specific names...the Biden's and the previous ambassador. It's pretty obvious that if Ukraine reopened an investigation into Burisma, then Hunter Biden as a board member would be questioned. The timing of Joe Biden's quid pro quo and the shut down of investigations into Burisma is questionable, and was definitely beneficial to Hunter whether Joe was motivated to save his son or not. Preferably, Trump would have worded his request in more general terms, but that he did name names is still justifiable...or at least not illegal. A president can request information on anyone, with just cause. It doesn't matter if they're running for office or not.

    Trump does not need a Ukrainian investigation into the Bidens in order to beat Joe Biden in 2020, so there's no personal gain to be had there. Trump is angry that the Ukrainians did put out political propaganda against him before the 2016 election to help Hillary. Any self-serving issues Trump has are historical, "What happened in the past election?" and not future self-serving as in "Help me get dirt on Joe Biden." There are 40 years of dirt on Biden without Ukraine.

    Essentially Democrats are trying to charge Trump with trying to influence the next election and he's just trying to get to the bottom of seedy dealings from the past election.

    It is helpful to Republicans that the Democrat leaders ended up focusing on Ukraine. All the questions about Biden's lack of common sense in not recusing himself from being the point-person in Ukraine while his son had a high-position have resurfaced as another example of Biden's history of poor choices. If anyone is hurting Biden's 2020 chances, it is the decisions by Pelosi and Schiff to focus on this one phone call. Biden would have a better chance in 2020 if the American people weren't talking about Ukraine.
     
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    He asked a favor “if that’s possible”. Not a quid pro quo but then the dems dropped that anyway for the impeachment articles since they knew they had no evidence.
     
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    Yes, absolutely right!

    THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

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    Great post!

    You touched a couple of hot buttons!

    "It doesn't matter if they're running for office or not." "Trump does not need a Ukrainian investigation into the Bidens in order to beat Joe Biden in 2020, so there's no personal gain to be had there." "There are 40 years of dirt on Biden without Ukraine." "Essentially Democrats are trying to charge Trump with trying to influence the next election and he's just trying to get to the bottom of seedy dealings from the past election.

    Spot on!

    When I first heard the news of the furor over this phone call, I was underwhelmed at the prospect of it amounting to much because I knew so much about Biden which made his campaign prospects seem laughable, I thought, "the President isnt worried about Biden as a challenger with all of the baggage and garbage Biden has in his distant AND RECENT past."

    If Biden wasnt a candidate for the White House I think the President would have done exactly the same thing.

    "It is helpful to Republicans that the Democrat leaders ended up focusing on Ukraine." "If anyone is hurting Biden's 2020 chances, it is the decisions by Pelosi and Schiff to focus on this one phone call. Biden would have a better chance in 2020 if the American people weren't talking about Ukraine."

    I forget if it was Rush or Hannity who opined that he believed that by making the Ukraine call an issue, the DNC was trying to salvo a Biden Presidential run once they realized what an embarrassment he was and how dismal his chances were. Furthermore, the pundit opined, the DNC would be killing two birds with one stone, in other words, assailing Trump and sacrificing an inept non contender who was only going to bring discredit and embarrassment to the entire party, thus clearing the way for a REAL Leftist to be the Democrat champion.
     
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    What do you think Trump would have done if Biden had not been a Presidential candidate?

    * Looked the other way and said and done nothing about the Biden corruption?

    * Trusted an untrustworthy Deep State to handle the case?
     
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    It sure looks that way to me. The DNC's chairman, Tom Perez, leans far-left toward the Democratic Socialists. When more moderate Wasserman-Schultz was DNC chair in 2016, they took out Bernie the Socialist. Now the new chair appears to be Socialist...no problems with knocking out moderates (and very weak candidates) like Biden. The Democrats' voting base seems to have only a small part in who is "allowed" to be their nominee. They put on a good show though.
     
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    It full on depends on Trump's motives..

    If he was investigating 2016. No problems.

    If it was for dirt for 2020. Then it proves the democratic assertion

    Then the question becomes was that qpq something that can legally be considered of value. And therefore become an impeachable offence.
     
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    When Trump asked and Trump's obsession with the Bidens in particular, along with his withholding aid until his doing so was found out thanks to the whistleblower, really leaves no room for doubt where Trump's motives are concerned. He wanted to dirty Biden up (and still wants to do so) same as he and the Russians did to Hillary in 2016.
     
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    Biden was no threat to the President's re-election. If you dont believe that, let me know and I will show you why I say this.

    There was no other way to handle the need for an investigation because there was no way for the President to know who could or could not be trusted in the Government. The Deep State that is against him that you see in the news every day are just the tips of the iceberg. The Deep State is massive, deeply embedded in our government and massively powerful. The President's vow to drain the swamp sent chills through thousands in government.

    Think of the people in the various departments who KNEW of Biden's corruption and for whatever reason, did and said nothing to stop it or reveal it to anyone.

    THOSE are the people the Left wants us to believe should have been given the responsibility of investigating it for Trump, whom they hated anyway!

    If I was in the Dept. of Justice or the State Department and even if I didnt approve of Biden's corruption, but let it slide, would I be signing my own confession of criminality by dutifully trying to investigate the same thing I did nothing to stop?

    If I had sons to get through college and didnt need such trouble, would 'accidentally' screw up the investigation and hope for the best.

    No, Trump could not trust the normal channels to investigate Biden.
     
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    I tend to agree, but i am willing to be proven wrong if any facts ever lead that way
     
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    I don't think Democrat leadership planned enough time to convince Americans of their "facts", which boil down to a matter of interpretation. They seem to have jumped in way ahead of any sort of bipartisan agreement and 100 hours of hearings and testimony didn't change anything.


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    Imagine you are running for President against a challenger who had this in their resume:

    Twice caught plagiarisng the work of others.
    Multiple times lying to campaign crowds that he had marched with Dr. M.L. King.
    Knowingly and intentionally lied about you and kept telling the vicious lie despite video evidence showing that he was lying.
    Caught on camera telling a Black crowd that a political opponent was going to put them back in chains.
    Had a habit of making buffoonish verbal gaffes in public.
    Was a creepy guy whose touchy feely actions repeatedly made young Women feel uncomfortable.
    Had an undistinguished political career.
    Had failed in at least two other POTUS campaigns before even finishing the Primaries.
    Wasn't very bright.
    Is almost 80 years old.
    His brother SOMEHOW managed to get a deal in Iraq to build houses despite having no previous building or developing experience.
    His son had SOMEHOW managed to get on the Boards of Directors in firms in industries where he'd been regulating in the Senate.

    Do you think you could beat that guy?

    President Trump wasnt worried about any Presidential challenge from Joe Biden.

    ESPECIALLY when the President has THIS kind of record to run on.

    www.magapill.com

    Click on each accomplishment to read a detailed 3rd party description.

    The President didnt need a Ukraine investigation to help him beat Biden.

    The President was making good on his campaign vow to drain the swamp.

    The only people who actually believe that Biden was a campaign challenge had no idea of how weak Biden was as a challenger.

    LOLOL

    Still dont believe me?

    Watch this.

     
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    Yup.

    They seized the opportunity to twist the interpretation of the phone call to get rid of Trump AND to rid themselves of a loser like Biden and appear to be defending him so the Democrat nominee in 2020 could be someone who was a TRUE Socialist and someone who they hoped could beat Trump.

    That was NOT Biden.

    They knew it.

    Trump knew it.

    The only ones who didnt know it are and were the deluded Demwitted voters.
     

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