Do YOU Trust 2022 House & Senate Election?

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Do You Trust the 2022 House & Senate pending ballot counts

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whoever has more votes will be declared winner.

    You made claims, and I validated them and provided the facts (numbers) which proved you wrong, and all you can say is that you don't agree aka you reject FACTs which contradict your assumptions

    I have nothing more to say about this. Your candidate is not winning, so you claim its fraud, and so be it. You are free to believe anything you want.
     
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  2. Pollycy

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    You can have the last word... for now. After all, as I said, it is clear that the the 'vote counters' in Pueblo, Colorado, will continue to need to be doing whatever it is that they're doing with 'vote curing' and 'vote harvesting' for several more days before we know anything. And then, unless the Democrat, Frisch, is declared the winner, put your money on this -- the Democrats will demand a recount anyway, and pay for it themselves if they need to, no matter what it costs....

    Whoever rules London rules England. Whoever rules Paris rules France. And, whoever rules Denver rules Colorado....
     
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    I'm not prepared to say the elections are crooked, because they cannot be proven to be crooked. The reason they cannot be proven to be crooked, is because they've been designed that way. They cannot be audited in such a way as to trace individual votes back to individual voters, and therefore it is impossible to determine if shenanigans have occurred.

    That said, many years ago, while discussing Bernie's snubbing by the DNC, I posited on this forum that even if the electoral process is known to be crooked, they best not politicize it, because the 'ballot box' is the final protection The People have against tyranny before the 'ammo box'. If The People begin to believe that they can no longer trust the ballot box to be able to send the scoundrels packing and regain their 'by the people' control, they will have no remaining choice but to do so by force. I'm afraid we are moving dangerously closer to that now.

    'Faith' in the electoral process is essential to peace and tranquility. Only after trust has been broken, is blind faith no longer good enough. Our leaders need to reform the electoral process in such a way as to eliminate the possibility of cheating. All they have done in recent memory is to introduce more ways the process can be subverted.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure. Why do you think certain factions are working so hard to destroy their voters trust in the ballot box by the constant "stolen elections" and "fraud" claims? IMO its because they don't think they can win with the ballot box much longer. Two largest generations ever, Gen-Z and Millennials reject their new version of GOP. Gen-Z has only 17% who support GOP and Millennials 21% (note that some millenials are already in their 40s), so how can the GOP win with older people dying off and younger taking over?
     
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    Some democrats and socialists here were pissed when they thought Bernie had been cheated out of the nomination in favor Hillary. That's when I was trying to tell them not to cast aspersions on the integrity of the vote. That same advice goes to GOP voters today. Whether the elections are crooked or not, publicizing that they are is a recipe for disaster. If the people begin to believe that they can no longer trust the ballot box to be able to send the scoundrels packing and regain their 'by the people' control, they will have no remaining choice but to do so by force.

    Elections should be held in such a way as to guarantee integrity in the results, and be 100% transparent and auditable to verify that integrity. If they were, no one would be able to credibly cast doubt on the integrity of elections.
     
  6. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you say so, but DNC nomination process is what it is, and its not a "trust in the ballot box" issue. No one complained about the ballot box. Clinton got 3.7M more votes (she won Texas, Florida, New York and California).

    IMO they are far more secure than they ever were, but to some people anything is 'proof' of fraud. For example now Colorado it taking a week to count a close race, and to them it means fraud. How? I don't know, but some people will always claim fraud after they were taken in by the "stolen elections" fabricated "evidence"
     
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    The tabulation probably isn't the problem. The origination of many of the ballots is likely a problem, though unlikely to be illegal. The emphasis of much of the "Get Out The Vote" movement is merely to get more votes and tends to not address whether those votes are informed or willing. When votes are collected from the demented, drug addled and coerced then they serve only the party and not the people that are actually casting the votes.
     
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    For them to claim fraud is no different than for you to claim elections are secure. Neither of you have any basis on which to make those claims. You cannot prove elections are secure at all, beyond your FAITH that they are, because there is no possible process by which to verify their integrity. By the same token, they cannot prove they are fraudulent, because, again, there is no possible process by which to verify their integrity.

    It seems the answer to this would be to create a process by which election integrity is verifiable. Identify the groups who are most against this idea, and you'll identify the groups who benefit most from the lack of election integrity.
     
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    It looks like the lovely Boebert maybe the 218th race called that puts the GOP back into the majority!

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/live_results/2022/house/

    [​IMG]
     
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    At this point, nothing would please me more -- especially given how disappointing this whole damned midterm election has been, but, unfortunately, it doesn't look like a Lauren Boebert victory is conclusive yet. And you can bet the farm that there will be a recount: https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...s-edge-as-house-race-heads-to-likely-recount/
     
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    Wherever there's ballot harvesting - there's cheating.

    For now it's probably isolated to those critical areas where Dems have unchallenged control of the infrastructure - Philadelphia, Detroit, Madison and Milwaukee in Wisconsin, etc., but in the long run the Dems will spread the cancer everywhere, and the Republicans will never win another national election.

    That said, I think we only have 2 more Presidential election cycles left before the country collapses. I don't think there will be a 2032 election under our current Constitution.
     
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    UPDATE: Well, actually, it isn't much of an update for the Boebert versus Frisch congressional race in Colorado's District 3. Why not? Because the 'vote-counters' in the Democrat-rich bastion of Pueblo, Colorado haven't changed the vote tally by even ONE VOTE since last Friday -- and right now it is 0841 MST here in Colorado on THURSDAY, 17 November 2022.

    Does this strike anyone but me as very, very strange...? Who the hell 'counts votes' this way...? :unclesam:

    [​IMG] . "Silly boy... you need to ASK...?!" :roll:
     
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    There are Democrats living in Pueblo.....FAAAAAUD......FRAAAAAAUD!!

    Listen to yourself.

    Boebert if winning with 99% votes counted. Are you going to continue shrieking fraud? I mean.....where did all these votes for her suddenly appear from....? No, you don't care because you scream fraud only when your candidate is losing.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=col...12j69i60l3.14412j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    You deniers are something else......
     
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  14. Pollycy

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    You can accuse me of anything you like (and you do), but doing so does not (NOT) explain why SIX DAYS would pass without the 'vote counters' adding one single vote to anyone's total, whether Boebert or Frisch. Is this normal? Maybe it is in Florida (?), but NOT in Colorado....

    Incidentally, where did I use the word "fraud"? You use the word very liberally, and seem to enjoy trying to pretend that I used the word. But, as we've seen for years, you on the Left especially love to put words in the mouths of other people....
     
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    So all your comments about "something very suspicious" going on didn't suggest they were committing fraud. What did you mean by it then?
     
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    I said, and will repeat for emphasis, there is "something very suspicious" when a 'vote count' involving 'vote curing' and 'vote harvesting' doesn't produce any updated totals from Friday of one week through Wednesday of the following week! Boebert didn't tally one extra vote, and, NEITHER DID THE DEMOCRAT, FRISCH! Parenthetically, is such a weirdness 'normal' in your state of Florida?

    The interesting thing, though, is going to be when these 'vote counters' in Democrat-infested Pueblo County, Colorado are forced to produce updated vote counts by -- oh -- some point in the future... eventually. But, don't worry, you can bet everything that if the vote somehow goes against him, Frisch will demand (and, of course, get) a recount -- even if he and his buddies in the Democrat combine in Denver have to pay for it themselves! Ooh... and just what do you imagine the result of that would be...? :lol:
     
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    Boebert has been sitting at 99% for several days. I think they might be waiting on the military ballot. Hopefully the they have safeguards against fraud in the military ballot request system.

    558 votes would be enough to steal that seat.

    [​IMG]https://www.foxnews.com › politics › wi-lawmakers-sue-sequester-military-ballots-after-elections-official-charged-fraud
    WI lawmakers sue to sequester military ballots after elections official ...
    'The lawsuit from state Rep. Janel Brandtjen, filed Friday in Waukesha County Circuit Court, comes after a top Milwaukee County elections official was charged with fraudulently requesting three...'
     
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    YES, I trust the results of the 2022 midterm elections. Too bad the Republicans couldn't win the Senate. :democrat:
     
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    I would like to add my two cents here if I may. Republicans (the MAGA ones) are going to find it hard to win elections in the coming years unless they get rid of their anger, and animosity. The American people don't want that. They want our elected officials to work together for the good of the American citizens. They want a President who is empathetic to everybody, not just the people who vote for him.
    Just thought I'd share my opinion. Have a nice day. :)
     
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    The Wisconsin thing is interesting. Milwaukee and Madison are very corrupt Democratic strongholds.

    It was Democratic corruption in Milwaukee County that launched Scott Walker into prominence (County Pension Scandal).

    I forget how many Democrats went to prison; a few, but not enough. In the end, a court ruled that the employees who were paid off with the stolen loot could keep the money... and so it goes.

    Once in the Governor's seat, Walker exposed and cut off a multimillion $$ insurance fraud scheme the Dems were running thru WEAC - teachers union scam. The administrators were stealing $millions. Walker was able to shut em down, but the Dem machinery within the government was able to protect the criminals from prosecution.

    There is just tons and tons of voter fraud in Milwaukee. My guess would be at least 25% of the total is fraud. They work very hard at it, and there is no oversight to stop it.

    Even with the fraud, the statewide races are usually very close. Eventually the systemic fraud schemes will become codified and protected by law.

    There's no way to stop it when the insulating government infrastructure is complicit or indifferent.

    This is going on everywhere the Dems can get away with it. The country will not survive.
     
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    As bad as Trump is/was, he's a choir boy compared to Biden - or Obama for that matter.

    Biden is the nastiest piece of work to ever stain the threshold of the WH, and that's saying something given the scum that has rolled thru there over the years.

    Stop watching the MSM, it'll rot you brain ;)
     
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    Good points. I think we'll survive it. America's been told that a nation of Free People cannot survive since the Declaration. Yet, here we are, the oldest surviving democracy in existence and one of the longest surviving government of any kind, today.

    Some of what Dems are doing is legal, some is illegal. We need to get better at the legal and stop the illegal.

    Democrats' Mail-In Voting Strategy Outmaneuvered Republicans In Every Pennsylvania County
    [​IMG]
    'Republicans have two views: get rid of mail-in voting - which seems unlikely with more elected Democrats in power - or learn how Democrats got an avalanche of mail-in votes and employ the same strategy.'
     
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    They're requesting ballots for people who have historically not voted in x-amount of time. I would guess they cross reference that with canvassing data to minimize exposure.

    After the fact, the counties where they're committing the fraud are dominated by Democratic officials. All the way up and down the food chain - no one is going to step out of line to do the right thing. What's more, most of them believe cheating is the right thing to do, because their side winning is all that matters.

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    As for the nation surviving - the Democrats solidifying their stranglehold on the infrastructure of government isn't what is going to topple us. It will help facilitate the process, but inandof itself it is incidental.

    That we are going to collapse within the next 10 years, by 2030 is my guesstimate, has always been the goal of those who have been scuttling the ship.

    From thier perspective it is perfectly logical, and makes perfect sense to people like myself who have studied the subject for decades. Unfortunately, the average bloke can't wrap their mind around why, let alone how.

    The financial power that sits above government has been working toward collapsing western civilization as we've known it for the past 100 years - and, they've been writing about it for 100 years. All anyone needs to do to figure it out is read. Hell, just read David Rockefeller for a couple weeks, and you'll see how these megalomaniacs see the world - it sure as hell ain't little pink houses and white picket fences.

    Timcast was even talking about it today. I consider Tim to be fairly moderate, libertarian - coming out of the left; but, it has been interesting to watch him and the other regulars on the podcast have the scales fall from their eyes. Still, they have a long way to go to get it all figured out, but they're on the right track.

     
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    OK, the news broke a few minutes ago -- Lauren Boebert is the winner for the House seat of Colorado's District #3.

    To his credit, our fellow-poster, Pro_Line, had pointed out, accurately, that this portion of Colorado is overwhelmingly Republican, so, the result was not unexpected.

    Perhaps what WAS unexpected was that the vote-counters in Pueblo, Colorado, which is a Democrat stronghold here, came forth with the right result, although it took them a full week even to update the vote count, a process that seemed to involve LOTS of 'vote harvesting' and 'vote curing'.... The Democrat challenger, Adam Frisch, of Aspen, has conceded defeat, which means that the Democrat strategists in Denver realized that any further effort on his behalf would be futile.

    No huge celebration is called for, though, and this midterm election must be regarded as an 'underwhelming' performance by both Republicans and all Conservatives. If the Supreme Court had had ANY FUGGING SENSE AT ALL and left 'Roe v Wade' alone, then we on the Right might have had the House, the SENATE, and a veto-proof majority. Now, about all we can do, until 2024, is slow down the pace of the Democrat Party's ruination of America.
     
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    The abortion issue is the Republican Party’s albatross. There are so many Republicans who are determined to make it as restrictive as possible, yet the country as whole does not want that to be so. In the end, the Republicans lose the elections, and the Democrats get their abortion laws any way.

    Linsey Graham drives me nuts. I agree with him most of the time, but then he says or does something stupid. At a time when the Democrats wanted to make Dobbs decision a major issue in the elections, Graham files a bill to restrict abortion throughout the entire country. The Supreme Court’s intent was to send the issue back to the states. That would have been difficult enough to defend politically.

    Talk about waving the red cape in front of the Donkey to get him angrier! Graham files a bill, which has no chance of passing, which gives the Democrats a big pile of firewood to burn.

    Nice going Linsey! Have you got any other great ideas? How about filing a bill to cancel the 2024 elections so that the Democrats really have a point when they said that electing Republicans “would end democracy.”
     
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