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  1. PPP

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    1.Do you believe the government's official story or the 9/11 commission report to be true?If not, what parts or part do you believe to be untrue or raise questions?

    2.What reason do you think,why the EPA said that the air was safe to breath at ground zero just two days after the 9/11 attack?

    3.Have you ever read the the now declassified OPERATION NORTHWOODS document?

    If so, Did you happen to notice any resemblance whatsoever in this plan comparable to the 9/11 attack, in the years leading up to,during and after?

    Do you think this plan of action which was rejected by President John F. Kennedy along with his publicly given speech address opposing secret societies could in anyway shape or form be connected to his assassination?

    4.Do you believe False Flag attacks exist or have ever been used by any governing entity in the world?
    If so what countries if any do you think uses this strategy to engage in war?

    5.Was Osama Bin Laden ever believed to be a CIA asset under the AKA Tim Osman?

    6.Do you believe the Bush family ever had business interests with the Bin Laden family?

    7.Do you think the US military is the most powerful technologically advanced operation in the world?

    If so,

    could they be capable of unknown things that the public eye&mind could not comprehend at present time?
    (keep this in mind, the atomic bomb destruction was first seen or heard of over 67 years ago while computers and cell phones were not even thought of in the very dreams of all the public, TV's were only in house holds of the semi wealthy, which means the majority of Americans at best had radios as a news/entertainment source)

    8.Do you think it is possible that what the few elite were quoted saying "in order for life to be sustainable on earth in the near future the population must be reduced significantly" to be a plan that the elite believe in?

    9.What is more important to Codex Alimentarius's best interests, profit or human health?

    10.Do you believe that the 800 + (most empty but fully guarded) Fema camps all around the USA are set up for: A. natural disasters B.civilian uprising C. both?

    If so,

    does the government expect an ungodly amount of disasters in the near future?

    Do they expect the populace to become at unrest in an unruly violent fashion in the near future?

    Out of these two scenarios which would they best be able to forecast in your opinion?

    Why is there razor wired fences (facing inward) with guard towers surrounding the parameters?


    11.What is your take on the official documents (comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally) called Agenda 21?

    12.Is the federal reserve owned by large private banks from around the world?If so, could this possibly mean that the real federal reserve bank owners would have slight to no interest in the USA populace's interests?

    13.Why has the "gold" at Fort Knox not been audited since the 1950's?

    Would it be because the gold no longer belongs to "we the people"?Do you think a possibility could be that the two party system is designed to divide the people while select politicians serving the almighty $ and those who control it, can play the blame game at a sophisticated level so high that not even the non-select politicians can figure out who the real ones are to blame?
    (in other words: a conspired group so large and complex it could never be brought to justice because it is larger than justice itself)
     
  2. PPP

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    Eleven pieces of evidence you should know about:

    Concerning 9/11


    Over the course of attacks, more than an hour and a half, NORAD air defense failed to intercept any of the hijacked aircraft. Fighter jets are stationed at bases throughout the US, often on “5 minute alert” to be “scrambled” and respond to domestic air emergencies. This failure was due to unexplained delays in reporting and responding, between the command authority, FAA, and military.

    Several war games and drills were being conducted on 9/11, including mock-hijackings and a mock plane crash.

    There were multiple, specific warnings from foreign governments of impending attacks, including potential targets and the names of several alleged 9/11 hijackers.

    The main members of the 9/11 Commission all had major conflicts of interest. The Commission Report omitted and altered evidence that contradicted the official story (see Sibel Edmonds and WTC 7).

    Insider trading (put options on American, United and other 9/11-affected companies) was never properly investigated. The SEC could trace who made these trades.

    Reports of involvement by Pakistani Intelligence (ISI) were never officially acknowledged or investigated.

    Some prominent travelers such as San Francisco mayor Willie Brown and top Pentagon officials were reportedly warned not to fly on 9/11. Who warned them? What did they know? Other groups and individuals also received warnings or suspiciously changed plans or moved out of the WTC soon before 9/11.

    Until 9/11/01, no steel frame skyscraper had ever collapsed completely due to fire. With only moderate fires and minor structural damage, WTC Building 7 imploded at 5pm into a tidy pile of rubble. The collapse of the towers and WTC 7 all exhibited characteristics of CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.

    Several FBI investigations which could have uncovered the 9/11 plot were squashed and sabotaged by key FBI officials.

    In September, 2000, Neo-Con think tank, “Project for the New American Century” (PNAC) said of their imperialistic vision, “the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.” PNAC members included Bush Administration insiders such as Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Libby and Perle.

    There are many historical precedents of “false flag” and state sponsored terrorism. Operation Northwoods was a top secret US plan in the 1960s to carry out a campaign of terror, including blowing up airplanes, and blame it on Cuba as a pretext to invade and overthrow Castro.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    <eyeroll> gimme a break...
     
  4. PPP

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    That is all factual evidence.........

    Your only option is to give it an eye roll,for the fact that you are avoiding it all costs through your all ready, "built in", conditioning of your predetermined natural psyche defense mechanism.........

    In other words:

    Cognitive Dissonance,Avoidance, Denial, & Rationalization..:couch:
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    No,it's all opinion and conjecture,dressed up in truther nonsense.


    No other 'steel framed skyscraper' had a jet the size of a 767 slam into them either
     
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    Everything you posted is speculation, you gave no sources to back up your claims.

    I trust no government. I trust the evidence.
     
  7. PPP

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    It is ON not to,Lol...........
     
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    My computer tends to hang up when I try to quote a too-long page of this sort of crap, so I will have to brerak this down into two posts at least.
     
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    Great observations. You'll get nothing but ridicule, then they'll ask for a source, then, they'll ridicule the source and claim they're all bonkers. That's pretty much how it works here.
     
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    Now, back to dealing with this mess.
    Yeah, and his family though Usama was too gonmzo and disowned him.

    Maybe. So what?

    They have none that could have faked what we saw on 9/11.

    It should be clear to everyone that we need to stop breeding at current rates.

    Is that you, Bert? I don't get what is such a big to-do here.

    Got proof that the camps exist?


    Why are you asking that?

    Is this somehow relevant to 9/11?

    Why is this relevant to 9/11? Why is any of it relevant?
     
  13. PPP

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    Read this declassified document,then try and tell yourself that the US government is not capable of erasing existence of its own people, go ahead try and deny it!


    Operation Northwoods


    Operation Northwoods was a series of false-flag proposals that originated in 1962 within the United States government, and which the Kennedy administration rejected. [2] The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or other operatives, to commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro.[3] One part of Operation Northwoods was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington."
    Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:
    "The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere."
    Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various U.S. military and civilian targets. The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by ChairmanLyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the U.S. government's Cuban Projectanti-communist initiative, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authored by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy.
    None of the Operations Northwoods proposals became operational.

    Content

    In response to a request for pretexts for military intervention by the Chief of Operations of the Cuba Project, Brig. Gen. Edward Lansdale, the document listed methods, and outlined plans, that the authors believed would garner public and international support for U.S. military intervention in Cuba. According to Jacob Hornberger:
    “ The plan called for U.S. personnel to disguise themselves as agents of the Cuban government and to engage in terrorist attacks on the U.S. base at Guantanamo Bay. It also called for terrorist attacks within the United States that would be conducted by pro-U.S. forces disguising themselves as Cuban agents.One of the most fascinating aspects of Operation Northwoods involved the proposed hijacking of an American passenger plane. The JCS proposed that a real plane containing American passengers would be hijacked by friendly forces disguised as Cuban agents. The plane would drop down off the radar screen and be replaced by a pilotless aircraft, which would crash, purportedly killing all the passengers. Under the plan, the real passenger plane would be secretly flown back to the United States.[14] ”

    More specifically, the plan called for the following:
    Since it would seem desirable to use legitimate provocation as the basis for US military intervention in Cuba a cover and deception plan, to include requisite preliminary actions such as has been developed in response to Task 33 c, could be executed as an initial effort to provoke Cuban reactions. Harassment plus deceptive actions to convince the Cubans of imminent invasion would be emphasized. Our military posture throughout execution of the plan will allow a rapid change from exercise to intervention if Cuban response justifies.
    A series of well coordinated incidents will be planned to take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces.a. Incidents to establish a credible attack (not in chronological order):
    Start rumors (many). Use clandestine radio.
    Land friendly Cubans in uniform "over-the-fence" to stage attack on base.
    Capture Cuban (friendly) saboteurs inside the base.
    Start riots near the base main gate (friendly Cubans).[15]
    Blow up ammunition inside the base; start fires.
    Burn aircraft on air base (sabotage).
    Lob mortar shells from outside of base into base. Some damage to installations.
    Capture assault teams approaching from the sea or vicinity of Guantanamo City.
    Capture militia group which storms the base.
    Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires—napthalene.
    Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims (may be in lieu of (10)).
    b. United States would respond by executing offensive operations to secure water and power supplies, destroying artillery and mortar emplacements which threaten the base.c. Commence large scale United States military operations.
    A "Remember the Maine" incident could be arranged in several forms:a. We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba.b. We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. We could arrange to cause such incident in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result of Cuban attack from the air or sea, or both. The presence of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The nearness to Havana or Santiago would add credibility especially to those people that might have heard the blast or have seen the fire. The US could follow up with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.
    We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington.[16]
    The terror campaign could be pointed at refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans en route to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized. Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement, also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government.
    A "Cuban-based, Castro-supported" filibuster could be simulated against a neighboring Caribbean nation (in the vein of the 14 June invasion of the Dominican Republic). We know that Castro is backing subversive efforts clandestinely against Haiti, Dominican Republic, Guatemala, and Nicaragua at present and possible others. These efforts can be magnified and additional ones contrived for exposure. For example, advantage can be taken of the sensitivity of the Dominican Air Force to intrusions within their national air space. "Cuban" B-26 or C-46 type aircraft could make cane-burning raids at night. Soviet Bloc incendiaries could be found. This could be coupled with "Cuban" messages to the Communist underground in the Dominican Republic and "Cuban" shipments of arm which would be found, or intercepted, on the beach.
    Use of MIG type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type planes would be useful as complementary actions. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce such fact. The primary drawback to this suggestion appears to be the security risk inherent in obtaining or modifying an aircraft. However, reasonable copies of the MIG could be produced from US resources in about three months.[17]
    Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft should appear to continue as harassing measures condoned by the government of Cuba. Concurrently, genuine defections of Cuban civil and military air and surface craft should be encouraged.
    It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner en route from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will begin transmitting on the international distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO radio[18] stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident.
    It is possible to create an incident which will make it appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack.a. Approximately 4 or 5 F-101 aircraft will be dispatched in trail from Homestead AFB, Florida, to the vicinity of Cuba. Their mission will be to reverse course and simulate fakir aircraft for an air defense exercise in southern Florida. These aircraft would conduct variations of these flights at frequent Intervals. Crews would be briefed to remain at least 12 miles off the Cuban coast; however, they would be required to carry live ammunition in the event that hostile actions were taken by the Cuban MIGs.b. On one such flight, a pre-briefed pilot would fly tail-end Charley at considerable interval between aircraft. While near the Cuban Island this pilot would broadcast that he had been jumped by MIGs and was going down. No other calls would be made. The pilot would then fly directly west at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base, an Eglin auxiliary. The aircraft would be met by the proper people, quickly stored and given a new tail number. The pilot who had performed the mission under an alias, would resume his proper identity and return to his normal place of business. The pilot and aircraft would then have disappeared.c. At precisely the same time that the aircraft was presumably shot down, a submarine or small surface craft would disburse F-101 parts, parachute, etc., at approximately 15 to 20 miles off the Cuban coast and depart. The pilots returning to Homestead would have a true story as far as they knew. Search ships and aircraft could be dispatched and parts of aircraft found.[19]

    James Bamford wrote on Northwoods:
    “ Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing,
     
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    Northwoods was nothing like 9/11. Stop with the frivolous blather.
     
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    The point was, to prove the US government is capable of carrying out a false flag "terrorist attack" operation on its on people........

    This North Woods Document,proves this theory with no doubt whatsoever......

    The most possible motive was, the Patriot Act......,

    The Patriot Act:is part of the Project for the New American Century or (PNAC)

    [Project for the New American Century - Wikipedia, the free ...
     
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    This is a non causa pro causa argument. Totally falacious. There ius not a bit of evidence that anything other than four airliners hijacked by religious nutjobs were used in the attack, or that Bush the Lesser and his merry morons were capable of pulling off such a complex operation. I doubt that their collective IQ rises much above 90 when the Shrub is not taking a nap.
     
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    The link PNAC worked when I posted it,

    now it does not,

    Just Google: Project for the New American Century/Wikipedia,.....
     
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    If you believe 19 **********s with a man in a cave controlling them to boot, is capable of out foxing the greatest technologically advanced military in the world..

    Well then, you will believe any cockamamie story the government tells you.......
     
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    Another 'truther', another racist. Figures.
     
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    Racism and argument from incredulity noted. You're dribbling weak sauce on the page.

    The policy at the time was to accomodate hijackers, regardless what the turds over at Pffffff4T tell you.
     
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    And they will pull a #2 Sweeney/Martin on you for pointing that out.
     
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    'PPP' starts to sound familiar....anyone else get that feeling?
     
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    Racism aside, there are issues with the way the military responded on 9/11.

    Now, I'm not suggesting that 100% of the planes should have been diverted, engaged or "killed", but 0% of the planes being diverted, engaged or "killed" is a bit much to acknowledge and accept given what top officials in the government knew pre-9/11.
     

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