Do you want this healthcare system in America? Why and why not?

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  1. FixingLosers

    FixingLosers New Member

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    It is state run.

    If you are poor enough, you don't have to pay for it.

    If you are NOT poor enough, you MUST pay for it as long as YOU WORK INSIDE THE COUNTRY, regardless of your nationality. It scares away foreign investments every year.

    In other words, it is a system that rips on the productive ones for the sake of the most unproductive ones.

    It actively sacrifice defense budget, education budget, funds for retirement program to maintain its existence.

    It treats whoever need treatment, no matter how expensive it is, no matter what nationality the person in question may be.

    It is so "efficient", it siphons money from private sectors, both in terms of taxation and charity.

    It is on deficit mode from year 1 it has implemented.

    It now faces massive cuts to accommodate over 10 billion deficit in a small country that only have 53,013,000 people, as oppose to america, 311,591,917.

    Measures taken including forcefully euthanize patients on life support. And these measures are too, state funded.

    Pharmaceutical companies are ecstatic since day 1 it had passed, thanks to a gigantic government that actively stifles market competition.

    Private medical institutes have boosted their charge sky high since the entire market is falsely inflated by people who previously needed not treatment.

    People who are actually sick MUST wait in long queues, unless their ailment turned into a life-threatening disaster.

    And then again, they have to wait in queues since there were other patients in more dire situation.

    The shortage for trained medical professionals is constant as the hospitals are constantly over-laden and neither nurses nor doctors can be rewarded in financial terms like their counterparts in private sectors.

    A large amount of medical school graduates from east asia and southeast asia had flooded into the country as the country actively encourages such technical immigration.

    Public hospitals are still undermanned nevertheless.

    Do you want such a system in United States? If you are wondering what might the name of this system be, it is NHS. It is so great that british people proudly boasted it in the opening ceremony of Olympic games. But the politicians are much more realistic:

    NHS spends £900,000 on private ambulances in London during Olympics

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jul/26/nhs-private-ambulances-london-olympics
     
  2. Dave1mo

    Dave1mo New Member

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    Do you know what a paragraph is and how it should be used?
     
  3. lizarddust

    lizarddust Well-Known Member

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    Sorry FixingLosers, how many more threads like these are you going to throw up and get totally caned?

    Are you a masochist? I suggest you take up something like macrame and leave the thinking for the thinkers.
     
  4. FixingLosers

    FixingLosers New Member

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    How 'bout start refuting instead of posting completely mumbled up garbage?

    I've debunked every single belief of you people, you either coward out, or act like a crying baby.

    Truth hurts, doesn't it?
     
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    tkolter Well-Known Member

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    Short answer is yes, when you have nothing this is better than - well - nothing. So sounds pretty good to me.
     
  6. lizarddust

    lizarddust Well-Known Member

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    Go back over the other threads you've started, read the evidence, those who've actually experienced universal healthcare,, then get back to us.

    You have debunked nothing and you only go by your opinions,, which by the way are totally wrong.
     
  7. custer

    custer New Member

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    If the weak and feeble in america need help, they should just move to Europe. they'll find it there.
     
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    kenrichaed Banned

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    Touché!
     
  9. independent american

    independent american New Member

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    CharlieChalk Banned

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    fantastic I cant wait to read it. however, I live under a govt run healthcare system and have used it many times, its fantastic, so your opinion of it really means very little to me, since you dont know what youre talking about and I do.
     
  11. custer

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    For someone not living in the US who is also not a citizen, you do a very very poor job pretending that you know anything about the USA or its politics.

    But you put on a good show and we all get a good laugh at you from time to time.

    Cheers :beer:
     
  12. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    About what age are you?
     
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    thanks, sadly not as good a job as you and your buddies do of pretending you know anything about our healthcare system, since you dont live here, have never even visited and are not a citizen.
     
  14. custer

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    I am 52.
     
  15. custer

    custer New Member

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    I never made a mention about your country's healthcare system but thanks for the shout-out.
     
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    oh really, cause this looks awful like a comment on european healthcare systems
     
  17. Johnny-C

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    Okay. Unless you are independently wealthy, you'll probably need to pay for healthcare in the next 15-20 years. Assuming you have 'insurance', what would you do at a later age, if you needed medical care (for say, cancer) and your insurance company declines you that treatment?
     
  18. custer

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    I have insurance and an HSA. Thanks.
     
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    The number of times I counted 'health' or 'care' or 'healthcare' or anything related to it in my comment : 0


    I stated that weak Americans should move to Europe where weakness is embraced.
     
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    52 and you still talk like a child, I really hope you dont have any kids no kid deserves to be raised by ignorance like that
     
  21. Johnny-C

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    For now, you do. If that is some private thing, it could surely change. The reason we need healthcare as a RIGHT, is because of the fickleness of healthcare for profit. If the option is to let people die (or help them to do the same, then I suppose we don't need healthcare at all.

    Imagine THIS dialogue at some counter:

    "Yes Sir, we can aid you and your family with several ADO's (assisted death options); and of course... these will be MUCH cheaper and more efficient than any long term healthcare options we presently offer."


    If we continue to shape every fracking value we have, in terms of PROFIT, we are headed there for certain.
     
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    What is the desired goal of a health care system? What are some of the best ways to achieve that goal. Implement 1 or more of those best ways. 1 size does NOT fit all.
     
  23. custer

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    I'd love to see medical professionals make less money. I think education for that schooling is overpriced and the amount of money these health care professionals make is outrageous.

    I also understand that the healthcare industry in the USA is one of the biggest the country has. To fundamentally change the healthcare system will destroy more jobs (insurance, development, therapy, clinical approaches) than what ACA could hope to cover. The best way to cripple the domestic (and international) US economy would be to make a huge such overhaul to healthcare is it is. That is obvious.

    It's a free market. You don't have to go to the most expensive provider for treatment or provisions. Stop whining that unaffordable healthcare is a negative for the populace. Your own health is the easiest thing to take care of with an ounce of responsibility. If someone was to be diagnosed with cancer, there is hardly anything in medical world that cure that, only ease the process of dying, which can be done outside of the medical field.
     
  24. custer

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    After reading all of the threads you make per day, I pray for the future of your country, as it is a kingdom of morons and attention seekers.
     
  25. Johnny-C

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    Well, that is a separate thread discussion.

    That in no way means we shouldn't seek to further reform the system, over time. We cannot and should not make radical changes all at once; but it is surely fallacious to think that we can leave things the way they are and do no more to improve function and purpose of the system.

    See the above. You are talking as if we haven't had mini-revolutions within the working of this nation before... when we've had several over hundreds of years. We cannot just stick with the status quo on this... it would practically be self-destructive to allow the medical industry to continue as it has been.

    What do YOU think that means. And regardless of the label itself, it doesn't mean that God wrote it and for ALL TIME we must retain the corrupt medical industry we see before us. Maybe it is time to redefine a few things? (I'm sure the answer is "yes, it is time".)

    I do not know anyone who does as you say.

    Stop telling people what they should or should not COMPLAIN about; YOU don't remind me of someone who keeps quiet about what gets under YOUR skin. If the system is crappy enough for the will of MANY to change things, then I don't see where anything is wrong with that.

    You are talking like a FOOL. With the BEST of care, ANYTHING can seriously go wrong with one's health. And it could be YOU, within a just a few minutes of reading this post; not to mention the possible HORROR of your medical insurance covering only a little of what it will take to get you well.

    And the kind of stupid thing you just said above, is what REMINDS ME that I must contend with people who think the way you do; even get in your face about this as I must. That is some stupid sh__ to say man. You need to be realistic and put yourself into every scenario your little mind dreams up. You are kind of like a dreamer (as I am)... but please, try to realize what you're saying here.



    only ease the process of dying, which can be done outside of the medical field.[/QUOTE]
     

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