Discussion in 'Media & Commentators' started by Monster Zero, Sep 4, 2011.
Jodi Wittaker is great.
She'll be worse than Sylvester McCoy !
Hello.FFS if you don't like it then don't watch it!
I liked Sylvester McCoy. I am a big fan of the first seven doctors. But I never got interested in Dr. Who once it returned in the one hour format. As for Jodi Wittaker, I don't really care. I don't watch Dr. Who anymore anyway. It's like Battlestar Gallactica, the original series with Loren Green and Dirk Benedict as Starbuck. The mini series didn't interest me one bit. I couldn't come to grips with a female Starbuck.
Precisely. If the poor little snowflakes want to throw tantrums because the show doesn't stick with the 'white guys run everything' and 'Recieved Pronunciation rules the Universe' world that reigned in the 60s then they don't have to watch it. They can just stick to watching the old ones or find something else that suits their view of how a fantasy world should be.
To be honest, anyone whose view of the world is so politicized that they see 'SJWs' lurking behind every script point is making themselves unhappy. No sympathy.
I must say I'm particularly amused at people who hold up 'classic' DW as their ideal forensically picking apart the story lines of the new ones. There is a hefty proportion of the 'classic' storylines that wouldn't stand up to an interrogation half as severe. Fans love to joke about shaky sets, crappy special effects, two dimensional bad guys, contradictory plots, endlessly helpless women and seemingly endless 'corridor running' and shots of quarries. If all of that & more is acceptable then nothing in the new shows is remotely worthy of criticism.
Some people just seem to enjoy complaining. Unfortunately the internet gives them a vastly bigger forum than they deserve.
Nobody is watching ...
3.75m (UK overnight figures)
And if you call that convoluted crap "a plot"
I feel bad for you.
The Master is / isn't a woman, Cybermen who
are / aren't a threat, just standing around ?
EEEGADS - The Master is an ugly old spinster, how frightening !
Just try reading thru these lame stories ,the producers,the cast,
and crew, hate the genre and Doctor Who - isn't it obvious ?
Series 10 finale
Try watching the Colin Baker era in Revelaton of the Daleks
... now that was a classic !
I stick to classic Doctor Who, incarnations 1 thru 6 - just watched Unearthly Child again. (1963)
The difference between classic Doctor Who and the new one is:
(aside from new Doctor Who horrid acting)
The classic Doctor Who stories actually make sense - for example:
Matt Smith, Capaldi have no charisma, but rely on momentary classic Who scenes, plots, and confuses the audience w/ 3 time streams and endless flashbacks, to draw fan interest.
New Doctor Who has entire 45 min. episodes without action, but soap opera sentimental crap,played to elevator music - almost like Doctor Who for girls.
Monsters barely ever mobilze. They're merely window dressing back drop of romance or emotionalism human relationships.
Where are the shootouts, chases and battles? The monsters dont move fast like Destiny of the Daleks w/ Tom Baker.
( The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang )
Sonatarans, Daleks, Cybermen onscreen for a minute, but schmalthzy drawn out wedding plot ? What ?
Why does the Master ( as Missy ) bother to disguise but tells Capaldi who she is ?
( Death In Heaven / The Doctor Falls )
There's a dozen Cybermen after Capaldi but only one fires a shot at him. Ludicrous !
The Master ( as Missy ) plays out season long plots to get Capaldi then changes her mind.
Doctor lets the The Master be his companion, knowing the Master killed off whole planets.
Huge expense (80 -150,000 per episode) on TARDIS, ships, monsters lairs only seen by viewers for mere seconds, almost no scenes in the TARDIS
Loud, fast, dramatic music played to anti-climactic, plodding, over wriiten too slow script.
'Classic' Dr Who has issues every bit as big as these, plus crappy special effects. You are also exaggerating the flaws of the new show considerably. I've re-watched every episode that is still available (including stuff that isn't on DVD). I love the show despite its flaws. Sometimes even because of them.
The new Doctor Who definately didn't fly with viewers in America, either.
Sci-Fi Channel stopped showing them in the middle of the David Tennant series. The show must be supported by an audience of British
teen girls who had a crush on Tennant / Matt Smith. Plus, in Great Britain
Doctor Who is shown commercial free, as the government run BBC is financed by $100 (pound tax) paid by each English household annually.
Imagine Americans being taxed $100 a year to watch CNN, MSNBC News lies and war propaganda, like the British are taxed to watch BBC News lies.
Now that's Orwellian.
But the way Google, Yahoo, and Bing News now parrot the same news
and propaganda lies as the big 3 TV networks news shows do: Russia fixed the election, obstruct / impeach Trump agenda lies and hype, 9/11 and Iraq both happened as a result of 'intelligence failures,' Bush was really elected, etc.
Reminds me of the classic Doctor Who Deadly Assassin, where
the Timelords erase, re-write history to conceal facts from the public.
You seem angry & confused. I'll leave you to it.
I'll take classic Doctor Who over Hollywood any day of the week .
Keep watching those retarded movies based on video games or superheroes, and Stan Lee Marvel, DC Comic war propaganda drivel like Batman Iron Man or Captain America. Big Bang Theory endlessly advertises them, and gets paid millions. F__k Sheldon.
They'll have you dumbed down in a jiffy.Or, you go to a Robert DeNiro movie, a tough guy onscreen, but a big p___y in real life.
Or perhaps go rent a film by that shrimp d__k Robert Redford, that sell out c__t they always lower the doorknob for, so he doesn't look like a dwarf !
The corporatists hire the Guardian, Telegraph UK, NYT, ROTTEN
TOMATOES AND SCORES OF big business lackey apologists
to keep you tuned in to tv, movies, to your i-phone and gps on board computers, people are brain dead automaton consumers walking looking at their devices, American robots un- aware of their surroundings, programmed to spend, convinced Net -fix has value - but the dummy corporation conglomos proved otherwise.
'Tinsel Town' nothing but stuck up, money grubbing, vain a__holes who can't write, and treat the American people like dumb sheeple to be led around by the nose by their incessant money-worship, vain shallow drivel, and political correctness.
( they're all shallow caricatures)
"news is something someone wants suppressed. everything else is just advertising"
in the new doctor who shows abysmal sci-fi show script, some people are waiting in line at a lunch truck when the server exclaims, "did you hear, obama is going to be on the tele to explain his plan to fix the economy," and on the same show, an evil alien is grilling a scientist on the whereabouts of a space travel portal, the scientist exclaims shaking in fear, "i won't tell you if its going to damage homeland security", (cough gag) homeland security in great britian? are the powers that be ever shamed by the broadcast tv fascist dogma? 'Homeland', the unnecessary all seeing eyeball of endless big brother police secrecy, though no one ever understands why, because there is no answer, the reason for constant homage to the State security is merely because big brother says so, and is not to be questioned, and of course, this is the fascist dogma on State TV we are subjected to, but, it is rather sickening the level to which hollywood actors will sell their soul for their high living standard, will give their allegiance to State fascist policies, endless death entertainment, bolster the use for torture in the scripts, and throw morality completely out the window.
Lights, Camera; Covert Action: The Deep Politics of Hollywood
False Flagging the World towards War. The CIA Weaponizes Hollywood
Why is Hollywood Rewarding Claire Danes and Mandy Patinkin for Glamorizing the CIA?
it was reported that amal clooney, georges new wife worked for a law firm and that she represented as legal counsel for tyrannical government of bharain who has been, with american support, disappearing people, torturing its own ciizens, indescriminate killings and oppression, so you can see how the liberal establishment is knowingly complicit in evil dictatorship regimes, use their connections to propigate false war narratives in film, become 'connected' thru democrat donations, nefarious ngo plots, connected to astroturf state dept think tanks focus groups used to bolster control and globalist domination of the NWO.
Hollywoods Imperial Propaganda
But I'm sure 'Hollywoods Imperial Propaganda'
is all just a coincidence - aye ?
By JOE GIAMBRONE , February 20, 2013
"Hollywood likes to pretend that things aren’t political when they are. It’s that bi-partisan nationalist myth that if both corporate parties agree to cheer for the empire, then everyone cheers for the empire. It’s gotten so bad now that races like the Oscars and the Writer’s Guild screenwriting award are tight contests between one CIA propaganda film and another CIA propaganda film. The first one helps to demonize Iranians and set up the next World War scenario, while the second film fraudulently promotes the effectiveness of state-sanctioned torture crimes.'
"As for Ben Affleck’s Argo, its sins aren’t so readily apparent. Both films show wonderful Central Intelligence “heroes” acting to further US interests and take care of imperial problems. The Argo scenario is a rescue, however, instead of a hit. The problem is that Iran, a country thrown into a bloodthirsty dictatorship after its nascent democracy was murdered by the very same CIA in 1953, is now the bad guy. There are clearly two sides, and the film takes sides with the people who destroyed democracy in Iran and propped up an illegitimate monarch in order to control its oil and its refineries.
"So why are Argo and Zero Dark Thirty receiving all these awards? Are the awarding bodies so full of hyper-patriots who believe pro-American films can deceive and demonize with impunity, that they want to send an unequivocal message of support for these practices?
Is hyper-nationalist propaganda in vogue now?"
I can't believe this thread! Actually I find it quite depressing.
Life is like being a protagonist in a HP Lovecraft story if you are a life long reader of fiction, nonfiction, and history reseacher like me. The main character will uncover horrors one doesn't expect to find.
It's like the Voltaire quote: 'History is a lie commonly agreed upon.'
The bright side is just how great classic Doctor Who (1963 - 1986) was, before the nightmare of Bush/ Cheneys 'War on Terror propagandized and politicized the tv, movies, censored rock music, talk radio, news coverage, etc.
The actors put so much into great classic Doctor Who that they ad- libbed or like Lalla Ward said, (Romana) that her and Tom Baker re-wrote their lines.
"We used to have the most awful problems with our writers. Tom and I used to have the rewrite most of our dialogue with the director, usually because it wasn’t right for the parts we were playing. And it happened from the very st art. Our actual rehearsal time, which was incredibly tight, was reduced still further as a result. So the programme was always a heavy workload – we had this responsibility for the show and we were doing so many a year against the problems of a small budget and scripts that we wouldn’t have done without at least an element of rewriting."
I just watched 'Power of the Daleks' Patrick Troughton first episode, the only surviving footage is in stills -
Patrick envisioned the Doctor as a sort of wandering 'space hobo'.
Here are two interviews w/ Susan from the Hartnell era, and 4th Doctor Tom Baker:
Carole Ann Ford:
"There was a row at the BBC. “A lot of people did not want Doctor Who to go ahead. The people high up were against putting money into children’s programmes, which is how they considered it at the time.”
"Still, she managed a mesmerising strangeness. It’s also striking how much of the modern Doctor Who can be traced to those first shows – from the theme tune to enduring ideas about who the Doctor is and why he is travelling. Remarkably, many were made up on the spot by herself and William Hartnell, who played the lead. “Bill and I put together a back story because we had to. You can’t act something unless you know what is behind it. We created the fact that he had done something to annoy the other Time Lords and they decided he had to go.”
Doctor Who's Tom Baker: BBC bosses were monsters – but I'd come back
"Doctor Who star Tom Baker has hit out at BBC bosses, saying they were a bunch of "monsters" who were no better than the Daleks. The Mirror reports that the actor, who played the Doctor from 1974 to 1981, said at the launch of the Horror Channel's season of classic episodes: "The monsters on Doctor Who were never so amazing as the monsters on the sixth floor of the BBC. There were some improbable looking people there." The former Time Lord added: "If someone gave me two wires now and said 'You could blow up the BBC' I'd be tempted." But Baker, who quit after falling out with the show's producer, admitted he didn't want to leave: "I was always happy. I didn't want it to stop."
The best Doctor Who episodes by performer and Incarnation:
1. Tom Baker
2. Jon Pertwee
3. Colin Baker
4. Patrick Troughton
5. William Hartnell
Bill Hartnell was and will always be # 1.
Separate names with a comma.