Doctor Who? ( Put It Out of Its Misery!)

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  1. JakeStarkey

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    Jodi Wittaker is great.
     
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    Oh barf!

    She'll be worse than Sylvester McCoy !








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    Hello.FFS if you don't like it then don't watch it!
     
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    I liked Sylvester McCoy. I am a big fan of the first seven doctors. But I never got interested in Dr. Who once it returned in the one hour format. As for Jodi Wittaker, I don't really care. I don't watch Dr. Who anymore anyway. It's like Battlestar Gallactica, the original series with Loren Green and Dirk Benedict as Starbuck. The mini series didn't interest me one bit. I couldn't come to grips with a female Starbuck.
     
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    Precisely. If the poor little snowflakes want to throw tantrums because the show doesn't stick with the 'white guys run everything' and 'Recieved Pronunciation rules the Universe' world that reigned in the 60s then they don't have to watch it. They can just stick to watching the old ones or find something else that suits their view of how a fantasy world should be.

    To be honest, anyone whose view of the world is so politicized that they see 'SJWs' lurking behind every script point is making themselves unhappy. No sympathy.

    I must say I'm particularly amused at people who hold up 'classic' DW as their ideal forensically picking apart the story lines of the new ones. There is a hefty proportion of the 'classic' storylines that wouldn't stand up to an interrogation half as severe. Fans love to joke about shaky sets, crappy special effects, two dimensional bad guys, contradictory plots, endlessly helpless women and seemingly endless 'corridor running' and shots of quarries. If all of that & more is acceptable then nothing in the new shows is remotely worthy of criticism.

    Some people just seem to enjoy complaining. Unfortunately the internet gives them a vastly bigger forum than they deserve.
     
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    Pfff !​

    Nobody is watching ...​


    Ratings
    • 3.75m (UK overnight figures)

    :shocked:
    And if you call that convoluted crap "a plot"
    I feel bad for you.


    The Master is / isn't a woman, Cybermen who
    are / aren't a threat, just standing around ? :roll:


    EEEGADS - The Master is an ugly old spinster, how frightening !

    Just try reading thru these lame stories ,the producers,the cast,
    and crew, hate the genre and Doctor Who - isn't it obvious ?

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    Series 10 finale

    http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Doctor_Falls_(TV_story)

    http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Master#As_Missy






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    Try watching the Colin Baker era in Revelaton of the Daleks


    ... now that was a classic !







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    I stick to classic Doctor Who, incarnations 1 thru 6 - just watched Unearthly Child again. (1963)

    The difference between classic Doctor Who and the new one is:

    (aside from new Doctor Who horrid acting)

    The classic Doctor Who stories actually make sense - for example:

    Matt Smith, Capaldi have no charisma, but rely on momentary classic Who scenes, plots, and confuses the audience w/ 3 time streams and endless flashbacks, to draw fan interest.

    New Doctor Who has entire 45 min. episodes without action, but soap opera sentimental crap,played to elevator music - almost like Doctor Who for girls.

    Monsters barely ever mobilze. They're merely window dressing back drop of romance or emotionalism human relationships.

    Where are the shootouts, chases and battles? The monsters dont move fast like Destiny of the Daleks w/ Tom Baker.

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    ( The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang )

    Sonatarans, Daleks, Cybermen onscreen for a minute, but schmalthzy drawn out wedding plot ? What ?

    Bullocks!


    Why does the Master ( as Missy ) bother to disguise but tells Capaldi who she is ?

    ( Death In Heaven / The Doctor Falls )

    There's a dozen Cybermen after Capaldi but only one fires a shot at him. Ludicrous !

    The Master ( as Missy ) plays out season long plots to get Capaldi then changes her mind.

    Doctor lets the The Master be his companion, knowing the Master killed off whole planets.

    Huge expense (80 -150,000 per episode) on TARDIS, ships, monsters lairs only seen by viewers for mere seconds, almost no scenes in the TARDIS

    Loud, fast, dramatic music played to anti-climactic, plodding, over wriiten too slow script.


    :thumbsdown::tombstone:
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    'Classic' Dr Who has issues every bit as big as these, plus crappy special effects. You are also exaggerating the flaws of the new show considerably. I've re-watched every episode that is still available (including stuff that isn't on DVD). I love the show despite its flaws. Sometimes even because of them.
     
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    The new Doctor Who definately didn't fly with viewers in America, either.

    Sci-Fi Channel stopped showing them in the middle of the David Tennant series. The show must be supported by an audience of British
    teen girls who had a crush on Tennant / Matt Smith. Plus, in Great Britain
    Doctor Who is shown commercial free, as the government run BBC is financed by $100 (pound tax) paid by each English household annually.

    Imagine Americans being taxed $100 a year to watch CNN, MSNBC News lies and war propaganda, like the British are taxed to watch BBC News lies.

    Now that's Orwellian.

    But the way Google, Yahoo, and Bing News now parrot the same news
    and propaganda lies as the big 3 TV networks news shows do:
    Russia fixed the election, obstruct / impeach Trump agenda lies and hype, 9/11 and Iraq both happened as a result of 'intelligence failures,' Bush was really elected, etc.

    Reminds me of the classic Doctor Who Deadly Assassin, where
    the Timelords erase, re-write history to conceal facts from the public.


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    You seem angry & confused. I'll leave you to it.
     
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    I'll take classic Doctor Who over Hollywood any day of the week .

    Keep watching those retarded movies based on video games or superheroes, and Stan Lee Marvel, DC Comic war propaganda drivel like Batman Iron Man or Captain America. Big Bang Theory endlessly advertises them, and gets paid millions. F__k Sheldon.

    They'll have you dumbed down in a jiffy.Or, you go to a Robert DeNiro movie, a tough guy onscreen, but a big p___y in real life.

    Or perhaps go rent a film by that shrimp d__k Robert Redford, that sell out c__t they always lower the doorknob for, so he doesn't look like a dwarf ! :razz:

    The corporatists hire the Guardian, Telegraph UK, NYT, ROTTEN
    TOMATOES AND SCORES OF big business lackey apologists
    to keep you tuned in to tv, movies, to your i-phone and gps on board computers, people are brain dead automaton consumers walking looking at their devices, American robots un- aware of their surroundings, programmed to spend, convinced Net -fix has value - but the dummy corporation conglomos proved otherwise.


    'Tinsel Town' nothing but stuck up, money grubbing, vain a__holes who can't write, and treat the American people like dumb sheeple to be led around by the nose by their incessant money-worship, vain shallow drivel, and political correctness.


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    ( they're all shallow caricatures)
     
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    "news is something someone wants suppressed. everything else is just advertising"

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    in the new doctor who shows abysmal sci-fi show script, some people are waiting in line at a lunch truck when the server exclaims, "did you hear, obama is going to be on the tele to explain his plan to fix the economy," and on the same show, an evil alien is grilling a scientist on the whereabouts of a space travel portal, the scientist exclaims shaking in fear, "i won't tell you if its going to damage homeland security", (cough gag) homeland security in great britian? are the powers that be ever shamed by the broadcast tv fascist dogma? 'Homeland', the unnecessary all seeing eyeball of endless big brother police secrecy, though no one ever understands why, because there is no answer, the reason for constant homage to the State security is merely because big brother says so, and is not to be questioned, and of course, this is the fascist dogma on State TV we are subjected to, but, it is rather sickening the level to which hollywood actors will sell their soul for their high living standard, will give their allegiance to State fascist policies, endless death entertainment, bolster the use for torture in the scripts, and throw morality completely out the window.

    Lights, Camera; Covert Action: The Deep Politics of Hollywood
    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/20...covert-action-the-deep-politics-of-hollywood/

    False Flagging the World towards War. The CIA Weaponizes Hollywood
    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/20...rld-towards-war-the-cia-weaponizes-hollywood/

    Why is Hollywood Rewarding Claire Danes and Mandy Patinkin for Glamorizing the CIA?
    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/20...s-and-mandy-patinkin-for-glamorizing-the-cia/

    it was reported that amal clooney, georges new wife worked for a law firm and that she represented as legal counsel for tyrannical government of bharain who has been, with american support, disappearing people, torturing its own ciizens, indescriminate killings and oppression, so you can see how the liberal establishment is knowingly complicit in evil dictatorship regimes, use their connections to propigate false war narratives in film, become 'connected' thru democrat donations, nefarious ngo plots, connected to astroturf state dept think tanks focus groups used to bolster control and globalist domination of the NWO.

    Hollywoods Imperial Propaganda
    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2013/02/20/hollywoods-imperial-propaganda/
     
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    But I'm sure 'Hollywoods Imperial Propaganda'
    is all just a coincidence - aye ?


    By JOE GIAMBRONE , February 20, 2013


    "Hollywood likes to pretend that things aren’t political when they are. It’s that bi-partisan nationalist myth that if both corporate parties agree to cheer for the empire, then everyone cheers for the empire. It’s gotten so bad now that races like the Oscars and the Writer’s Guild screenwriting award are tight contests between one CIA propaganda film and another CIA propaganda film. The first one helps to demonize Iranians and set up the next World War scenario, while the second film fraudulently promotes the effectiveness of state-sanctioned torture crimes.'

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    "As for Ben Affleck’s Argo, its sins aren’t so readily apparent. Both films show wonderful Central Intelligence “heroes” acting to further US interests and take care of imperial problems. The Argo scenario is a rescue, however, instead of a hit. The problem is that Iran, a country thrown into a bloodthirsty dictatorship after its nascent democracy was murdered by the very same CIA in 1953, is now the bad guy. There are clearly two sides, and the film takes sides with the people who destroyed democracy in Iran and propped up an illegitimate monarch in order to control its oil and its refineries.


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    "So why are Argo and Zero Dark Thirty receiving all these awards? Are the awarding bodies so full of hyper-patriots who believe pro-American films can deceive and demonize with impunity, that they want to send an unequivocal message of support for these practices?

    Is hyper-nationalist propaganda in vogue now?"
     
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    I can't believe this thread! Actually I find it quite depressing. :lonely:
     
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    Life is like being a protagonist in a HP Lovecraft story if you are a life long reader of fiction, nonfiction, and history reseacher like me. The main character will uncover horrors one doesn't expect to find.

    It's like the Voltaire quote: 'History is a lie commonly agreed upon.'

    The bright side is just how great classic Doctor Who (1963 - 1986) was, before the nightmare of Bush/ Cheneys 'War on Terror propagandized and politicized the tv, movies, censored rock music, talk radio, news coverage, etc.

    The actors put so much into great classic Doctor Who that they ad- libbed or like Lalla Ward said, (Romana) that her and Tom Baker re-wrote their lines.


    "We used to have the most awful problems with our writers. Tom and I used to have the rewrite most of our dialogue with the director, usually because it wasn’t right for the parts we were playing. And it happened from the very st art. Our actual rehearsal time, which was incredibly tight, was reduced still further as a result. So the programme was always a heavy workload – we had this responsibility for the show and we were doing so many a year against the problems of a small budget and scripts that we wouldn’t have done without at least an element of rewriting."

    https://drwhointerviews.wordpress.com/2009/09/30/lalla-ward-1985/

    I just watched 'Power of the Daleks' Patrick Troughton first episode, the only surviving footage is in stills -

    Patrick envisioned the Doctor as a sort of wandering 'space hobo'.

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    Here are two interviews w/ Susan from the Hartnell era, and 4th Doctor Tom Baker:




    Carole Ann Ford:


    "There was a row at the BBC. “A lot of people did not want Doctor Who to go ahead. The people high up were against putting money into children’s programmes, which is how they considered it at the time.”

    edit


    "Still, she managed a mesmerising strangeness. It’s also striking how much of the modern Doctor Who can be traced to those first shows – from the theme tune to enduring ideas about who the Doctor is and why he is travelling. Remarkably, many were made up on the spot by herself and William Hartnell, who played the lead. “Bill and I put together a back story because we had to. You can’t act something unless you know what is behind it. We created the fact that he had done something to annoy the other Time Lords and they decided he had to go.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...Doctor-Who-It-destroyed-my-acting-career.html



    Doctor Who's Tom Baker: BBC bosses were monsters – but I'd come back


    "Doctor Who star Tom Baker has hit out at BBC bosses, saying they were a bunch of "monsters" who were no better than the Daleks. The Mirror reports that the actor, who played the Doctor from 1974 to 1981, said at the launch of the Horror Channel's season of classic episodes: "The monsters on Doctor Who were never so amazing as the monsters on the sixth floor of the BBC. There were some improbable looking people there." The former Time Lord added: "If someone gave me two wires now and said 'You could blow up the BBC' I'd be tempted." But Baker, who quit after falling out with the show's producer, admitted he didn't want to leave: "I was always happy. I didn't want it to stop."


    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/apr/15/doctor-who-tom-baker-bbc-bosses-monsters



    The best Doctor Who episodes by performer and Incarnation:

    1. Tom Baker
    2. Jon Pertwee
    3. Colin Baker
    4. Patrick Troughton
    5. William Hartnell
     
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    DEAD wrong.

    Bill Hartnell was and will always be # 1.


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    The thing is old Star Wars: one side was clearly the strong oppressing the weak, last chance for a dead Jedi belief, corruption is the norm, these are clear themes in old Star Wars ...

    Disney even changed the Stormtrooper masks, which used to look like a death skull mask were redesigned.


    But the way in Disney it was performed, ' the fascist' scene commander ranting as the big ray gun started, was so cartoonish and hammy. I'm sorry but I thought Solos expression after confronting his son was poorly performed, as was Fords lacklustre performance the rest of the way. Solos villianous offspring anger is not at all genuine or explained, not evil enough like Darth Maul, nor new/ sufficient a storyline.

    But back to your original point - the traditional freedom versus fascism argument. I did not answer for the longest time, because I wanted someone else to speak up while the ideas germinated, as Doctor Who (Jon Pertwee era 1970-75) says to Jo Grant, "You've got to stop messing about with your mind once in a while, let something pop in of its own accord." You see - I really did not want to ruin any spoilers of classic Doctor Who (1963-1986) or Star Wars if people hadn't seen them yet. Just like I didn't go deep into Michael Moorcock because they are so magical, and special in their own spiritual journey ways. I'm sure I'm not the only kid here who could relate to his father being Darth Vader.

    Sure, Princess Lea had to be the brave one in 1977, as Han wanted to cut and run, so we all knew women had the strength and superlative qualities - we didn't need the feminist lecture again. Lucas made the characters more humansitic to borrow the psychology term. In Empire, Luke is genuinely terrified on the big screen in the cave at Dagoba kids felt how real it was and why.

    That the establishment deliberately cancels shows and destroys alters/ narravtive plotlines is a fact:

    Judd Apatow "Freak and Geeks' creator said NBC cancelled his after he refused to let the one of the geeks date a cheerleader in the script

    ......................................................................................................................................................
    Let's use another example from Doctor Who this time - without giving away plot endings or messages to newcomers to classic Doctor Who.

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    When new producer John Nathan Turner took over classic Doctor Who in 1980 it was Tom Baker who was instructed at the outset:

    a) Tom could no longer write his own lines, BBC dictated to him

    b) Baker could no longer use humor ( no jokes were used all season ) John Nathan Turner adsurdly changed the tone

    c) Baker had to work with a file clerk who never acted before (Adric), Lalla Ward (Romana) was leaving, and a deliberately caustic humorless flight attendant was put in place.( Tegan) K-9 was written out all by Nathan Turners hand. No laughs.

    d) Tom Baker was now an international star, a big audience draw, but was offered no raise, the BBC instead cut the budget

    e) Nathan Turner gives Doctor Who a drab maroon new coat and scarf, Tom isn't smiling and laughing anymore - neither is the audience.


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    So time passes, the last season drags Tom Baker quits, Peter Davison takes over, the fans go away ...

    ---It was no accident, corporate America wants status quo reinforced - square jawed GI Dwayne Johnson/Gary Cooper ---going to war for King and Country --- just how Uncle Sam wants it scripted w/ planes, tanks, choppers and bombs

    ________________________________________________________________________________________

    square jawed humorless bore, Dwayne Johnson / Vin Diesel / unshaven scruffy Bond Craig

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    Like Dwayne Johnson and Vin Diesel people think that square jawed humorless characters, and colorless plots like 'Riddick' and 'XXX' are just unmemorable overseas hits sold to 12-15 year old demographics. They aren't. In Chuck Norris who are the villians, Russians and Arabs, in the sequel to 300 'Rise of an Empire' the evil sorcerous Persian dark skinned Assyrians (Obama- Hillarys war on Syria) you think that was a coincidence? it wasn't. Neither was Jack Ryans (Harrison Ford) Tom Clancy had 'friends' in the real CIA.

    Heroes resembling square jawed G.I. Joes, fatigues, Rambos, machine guns unshaven M-16 Daniel Craig an unforgiving, dour faced humorless assassin, and ICE QUEEN JUDI DENCH AS BITCH QUEEN 'M' (M-16) are more' psychotic than the villians. Star Trek Discovery' revives the Klingons ((they drink blood) enemies, Russkies Putin revived as villians on CNN/CBS NEWS who happenedd to be owned by Time WarnerBros, and Paramount film. No laughs plenty of blood and guts, hardware, death.

    Who Owns CNN? or MSNBC? ABC? ( war pigs )

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_mediacontrol92.htm

    The mindset Hollywood wants is perpetual fear. At what point was Star Wars VII fun - none. No speeder races, chases, no intriguing prescence or aspect of the unknown. The most they got in were startling noises, blinding flashes, a dark passage with a tentacle, I mean the magic was gone, as were the imaginative aliens, quirking characters and surprises, but most noticably the realism of evil, sneakily impacted on the lives of the protags like the intentional trap of Empire Strikes Back, ... only the Disney cartoony version ...


    here is an interview w/ celebrated Nazi ******** FRANK MILLER of '300' -



    read more:


    So "300" was neocon propaganda after all.


    "A while back I posted a diary which implied that the movie "300" was neocon propaganda based on promoting prolonged war in the Middle East.

    "A lot of you folks on DKos called BS on my assertion and said "it was just a movie" etc etc and that there were no hidden motives behind it. Well, allow me to acquaint y'all with Mr. Frank Miller, the author of the "300" comic book on which the movie is based. Frank believes that in a post-9/11 world we are locked in a battle between good and evil where the West once again is leading the banner of civilization against those Eastern barbarians,


    Behold the words of Frank Miller and the true meaning of "300".

    NPR: […] Frank, what’s the state of the union?

    FM: Well, I don’t really find myself worrying about the state of the union as I do the state of the home-front. It seems to me quite obvious that our country and the entire Western World is up against an existential foe that knows exactly what it wants … and we’re behaving like a collapsing empire. Mighty cultures are almost never conquered, they crumble from within. And frankly, I think that a lot of Americans are acting like spoiled brats because of everything that isn’t working out perfectly every time.

    So by saying that "we're acting like a collapsing empire" Frank Miller believes that America needs to have an empire.

    NPR: A lot of people would say what America has done abroad has led to the doubts and even the hatred of its own citizens.

    FM: Well, okay, then let’s finally talk about the enemy. For some reason, nobody seems to be talking about who we’re up against, and the sixth century barbarism that they actually represent. These people saw people’s heads off. They enslave women, they genitally mutilate their daughters, they do not behave by any cultural norms that are sensible to us. I’m speaking into a microphone that never could have been a product of their culture, and I’m living in a city where three thousand of my neighbors were killed by thieves of airplanes they never could have built."


    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2007/05/04/331207/-So-300-was-neocon-propaganda-after-all

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    Marvel Comics Batman 'Death in the Family' is NEOCON FASCIST DOGMA, Bush- Cheney war propaganda horses__t - Bush Nazi playbook ..


    "Batman follows the Joker to Lebanon, where he and Jason are reunited and foil the attempts of terrorists using the Joker's weapons. After interrogating a woman Jason suspects to be his mother, the duo travel to Ethiopia. There, they meet aid worker Sheila Haywood, who proves herself to be Jason's mother. The Joker discovers that Haywood had previously performed illegal operations on teenagers in Gotham and has been blacklisted as a medical practitioner. The Joker uses this information to blackmail her into giving him the medical supplies her agency has stockpiled in a nearby warehouse. He sells them on the black market and stocks the warehouse with Joker venom which, once set off, will kill thousands of people. Haywood herself had been embezzling from the aid agency and hands Jason to the Joker.

    The Joker proceeds to torture Jason using a crowbar, after which he restrains him and Haywood and blows up the warehouse using a time bomb. Batman arrives too late and both die of their injuries. Traumatized, he takes their remains to back to Gotham and holds a burial for them with his friends. Blaming himself for Jason's death, Batman resolves to continue alone. Meanwhile, the Joker is given a position in the Iranian government by Ayatollah Khomeini and leaves Batman a clue where to find him; the clue leads to the United Nations building in New York City. While waiting for him, Batman is confronted by Superman, who was sent by the State Department and asks him to leave. The Joker is to be Iran's representative at the U.N. and will be giving a speech at the General Assembly ..."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_A_Death_in_the_Family
     
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    ^ sorry, I don't watch those Disney movies so I did not understand what your post was about
     
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    "news is something someone wants suppressed. everything else is just advertising"


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    in the new doctor who shows abysmal sci-fi show script, some people are waiting in line at a lunch truck when the server exclaims, "did you hear, obama is going to be on the tele to explain his plan to fix the economy," and on the same show, an evil alien is grilling a scientist on the whereabouts of a space travel portal, the scientist exclaims shaking in fear, "i won't tell you if its going to damage homeland security", (cough gag) homeland security in great britian? are the powers that be ever shamed by the broadcast tv fascist dogma? 'Homeland', the unnecessary all seeing eyeball of endless big brother police secrecy, though no one ever understands why, because there is no answer, the reason for constant homage to the State security is merely because big brother says so, and is not to be questioned, and of course, this is the fascist dogma on State TV we are subjected to, but, it is rather sickening the level to which hollywood actors will sell their soul for their high living standard, will give their allegiance to State fascist policies, endless death entertainment, bolster the use for torture in the scripts, and throw morality completely out the window.

    Lights, Camera; Covert Action: The Deep Politics of Hollywood
    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/20...covert-action-the-deep-politics-of-hollywood/

    False Flagging the World towards War. The CIA Weaponizes Hollywood
    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/20...rld-towards-war-the-cia-weaponizes-hollywood/

    Why is Hollywood Rewarding Claire Danes and Mandy Patinkin for Glamorizing the CIA?
    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/20...s-and-mandy-patinkin-for-glamorizing-the-cia/

    it was reported that amal clooney, georges new wife worked for a law firm and that she represented as legal counsel for tyrannical government of bharain who has been, with american support, disappearing people, torturing its own ciizens, indescriminate killings and oppression, so you can see how the liberal establishment is knowingly complicit in evil dictatorship regimes, use their connections to propigate false war narratives in film, become 'connected' thru democrat donations, nefarious ngo plots, connected to astroturf state dept think tanks focus groups used to bolster control and globalist domination of the NWO.

    Hollywoods Imperial Propaganda
    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2013/02/20/hollywoods-imperial-propaganda/


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    I'll take classic Doctor Who over Hollywood any day of the week .


    Doctor Who is shown commercial free, as the government run BBC is financed by $100 (pound tax) paid by each English household annually.

    Imagine Americans being taxed $100 a year to watch CNN, MSNBC News lies and war propaganda, like the British are taxed to watch BBC News lies.

    Now that's Orwellian.


    Reminds me of the classic Doctor Who Deadly Assassin, where
    the Timelords erase, re-write history to conceal facts from the public.

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    In the new doctor who shows abysmal sci-fi show script, some people are waiting in line at a lunch truck when the server exclaims, "did you hear, obama is going to be on the tele to explain his plan to fix the economy," and on the same show, an evil alien is grilling a scientist on the whereabouts of a space travel portal, the scientist exclaims shaking in fear, "i won't tell you if its going to damage homeland security", (cough gag) homeland security in great britian? are the powers that be ever shamed by the broadcast tv fascist dogma? 'Homeland', the unnecessary all seeing eyeball of endless big brother police secrecy, though no one ever understands why, because there is no answer, the reason for constant homage to the State security is merely because big brother says so, and is not to be questioned, and of course, this is the fascist dogma on State TV we are subjected to, but, it is rather sickening the level to which hollywood actors will sell their soul for their high living standard, will give their allegiance to State fascist policies, endless death entertainment, bolster the use for torture in the scripts, and throw morality completely out the window.

    Lights, Camera; Covert Action: The Deep Politics of Hollywood
    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/20...covert-action-the-deep-politics-of-hollywood/

    False Flagging the World towards War. The CIA Weaponizes Hollywood
    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/20...rld-towards-war-the-cia-weaponizes-hollywood/

    Why is Hollywood Rewarding Claire Danes and Mandy Patinkin for Glamorizing the CIA?
    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/20...s-and-mandy-patinkin-for-glamorizing-the-cia/

    It was reported that amal clooney, georges new wife worked for a law firm and that she represented as legal counsel for tyrannical government of bharain who has been, with american support, disappearing people, torturing its own ciizens, indescriminate killings and oppression, so you can see how the liberal establishment is knowingly complicit in evil dictatorship regimes, use their connections to propigate false war narratives in film, become 'connected' thru democrat donations, nefarious ngo plots, connected to astroturf state dept think tanks focus groups used to bolster control and globalist domination of the NWO.

    Hollywoods Imperial Propaganda
    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2013/02/20/hollywoods-imperial-propaganda/
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    Life is like being a protagonist in a HP Lovecraft story if you are a life long reader of fiction, nonfiction, and history reseacher like me. The main character will uncover horrors one doesn't expect to find.

    It's like the Voltaire quote: 'History is a lie commonly agreed upon.'

    The bright side is just how great classic Doctor Who (1963 - 1986) was, before the nightmare of Bush/ Cheneys 'War on Terror propagandized and politicized the tv, movies, censored rock music, talk radio, news coverage, etc.

    In new Sci-Fi like Godzilla, or Independance Day or even Alien remakes - did anyone notice the military and weapons hardware advertising (product placement ) gets more screen time than the monsters or character dialogue ?


    ( whereas todays movies and shows are busy, gaudy, overly opaque homages to Burtons first Batman blacks, or fleeting green screen or CGI, the sterile deck of the new Star Treks )

    When Mel Gibson / DeNiro get $20 million each to do WAR PROPAGANDA recruiting movies like "MEN OF HONOR" OR "THE PATRIOT" like Robert Redford / Brad Pitt flick "SPY GAMES" - ISN'T THE MILITARY/ ESPIONAGE INDUSTRY ADVERTISEMENT A LITTLE OBVIOUS?

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    The sets in classic DOCTOR WHO were beautifully and masterfully designed.

    Look at Keeper of Traken, or the realiism of Genesis of the Daleks bleak battlefield.

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    The actors put so much into great classic Doctor Who that they ad- libbed or like Lalla Ward said, (Romana) that her and Tom Baker re-wrote their lines.


    "We used to have the most awful problems with our writers. Tom and I used to have the rewrite most of our dialogue with the director, usually because it wasn’t right for the parts we were playing. And it happened from the very st art. Our actual rehearsal time, which was incredibly tight, was reduced still further as a result. So the programme was always a heavy workload – we had this responsibility for the show and we were doing so many a year against the problems of a small budget and scripts that we wouldn’t have done without at least an element of rewriting."

    https://drwhointerviews.wordpress.com/2009/09/30/lalla-ward-1985/

    I just watched 'Power of the Daleks' Patrick Troughton first episode, the only surviving footage is in stills -

    Patrick envisioned the Doctor as a sort of wandering 'space hobo'.

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    Here are two interviews w/ Susan from the Hartnell era, and 4th Doctor Tom Baker:




    Carole Ann Ford:


    "There was a row at the BBC. “A lot of people did not want Doctor Who to go ahead. The people high up were against putting money into children’s programmes, which is how they considered it at the time.”

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    "Still, she managed a mesmerising strangeness. It’s also striking how much of the modern Doctor Who can be traced to those first shows – from the theme tune to enduring ideas about who the Doctor is and why he is travelling. Remarkably, many were made up on the spot by herself and William Hartnell, who played the lead. “Bill and I put together a back story because we had to. You can’t act something unless you know what is behind it. We created the fact that he had done something to annoy the other Time Lords and they decided he had to go.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...Doctor-Who-It-destroyed-my-acting-career.html



    Doctor Who's Tom Baker: BBC bosses were monsters – but I'd come back


    "Doctor Who star Tom Baker has hit out at BBC bosses, saying they were a bunch of "monsters" who were no better than the Daleks. The Mirror reports that the actor, who played the Doctor from 1974 to 1981, said at the launch of the Horror Channel's season of classic episodes: "The monsters on Doctor Who were never so amazing as the monsters on the sixth floor of the BBC. There were some improbable looking people there." The former Time Lord added: "If someone gave me two wires now and said 'You could blow up the BBC' I'd be tempted." But Baker, who quit after falling out with the show's producer, admitted he didn't want to leave: "I was always happy. I didn't want it to stop."


    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/apr/15/doctor-who-tom-baker-bbc-bosses-monsters



    The best Doctor Who episodes by performer and Incarnation:

    1. Tom Baker
    2. Jon Pertwee
    3. Colin Baker
    4. Patrick Troughton
    5. William Hartnell




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    SUBVERSION OF POLITICAL ISSUES FROM WITHIN BBC AND GOVMNT ESTABLISHMENT:

    Even the awful writer of Tom Bakers final season admits he
    hated Doctor Who:

    Christopher H. Bidmead (1988)

    "Robert Banks Stewart was talking to John Nathan-Turner, who was looking for a script editor. Bob mentioned my name as a writer he’d enjoyed working with, but what he didn’t know was that in the interim I’d been writing a lot of scientific and technical stuff, dealing with computers and gadgetry, which I thought equipped me very well for ‘Doctor Who’.

    “I then had to confess to John and Barry Letts that I didn’t actually want to do ‘Doctor Who’, as it had got very silly and I hated the show. "


    https://drwhointerviews.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/christopher-h-bidmead-script-editor/


    Barry Letts (1989)

    Terror of the Autons

    “When we made ‘Terror of the Autons’, there were big leading articles in several newspapers complaining bitterly about what we’d done. We even had a letter from Scotland Yard about the policemen who turned out to be Autons, saying ‘Don’t do it again’. I think we did go over the top, but when you think of it, the most terrifying things are ordinary things that can’t be trusted. If it’s a monster, it’s a monster, you know where you are. But if a toy comes to life and tries to kill you, it’s not so funny. They kept a very close eye on us a fter that, and we made sure we didn’t do that sort of thing again, although things like ‘The Daemons’ came close to it."



    https://drwhointerviews.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/barry-letts-1989/
     

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