Does a fetus have rights

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Matt22yuc, Dec 6, 2018.

  1. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2017
    Messages:
    3,000
    Likes Received:
    1,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Like I said, it's a crazy world.
     
  2. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2018
    Messages:
    268
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    18
    So you believe in a not crazy world the woman who had an abortion deserves some serious jail time?
    Should the charges be the same as if she killed her 3 year old?
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2019
  3. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    37,537
    Likes Received:
    9,204
    Trophy Points:
    113

    :) Ya, it is when someone bothers to post but doesn't have anything to say ;)
     
  4. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2017
    Messages:
    3,000
    Likes Received:
    1,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What value does the law put on the unborn?

    Woman's choice - zero.

    Killed by 3rd party - 14 years worth.

    So...

    What value does a woman seeking an abortion put on the unborn - zero. No value whatsoever. If they were sensible, they wouldn't be in that predicament. Maybe they should make her choices before opening their legs.
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2019
  5. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2017
    Messages:
    3,000
    Likes Received:
    1,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I suppose they need abortions for those who are not responsible.
     
  6. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    37,537
    Likes Received:
    9,204
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You just said it's worth 14 years for killing it.



    Yes, the murdered took away the woman's choice (sound familiar?), a heinous thing to do.



    Which is her right, it's her body.



    Many sensible women get pregnant and have abortions....no matter how you denigrate women they are not as bad as you seem to think.


    :) Yes, for Anti-Choicers it ALWAYS boils down to some version of " She should be punished for having sex".

    That says more about them then they'll ever realize.
     
  7. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    37,537
    Likes Received:
    9,204
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Many responsible women get pregnant and have abortions.

    It's very responsible to not have a kid one doesn't want or can't afford.

    No matter how you denigrate women they are human …. that doesn't mean their rights can be taken away to suit you.
     
  8. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2017
    Messages:
    3,000
    Likes Received:
    1,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I like your irony.
     
  9. Matt22yuc

    Matt22yuc Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2018
    Messages:
    178
    Likes Received:
    135
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    Yeah a crazy world that can’t see the inconsistency of the law I’ll agree. Interesting that the woman’s life is worth 26 years and the “child” is only 14 years don’t you think?
     
  10. Matt22yuc

    Matt22yuc Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2018
    Messages:
    178
    Likes Received:
    135
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    Nothing like some good ol authoritarianism for ya. We’re gonna punish you for making your our choices in life because we think we know better. These are the same people who are okay with abortion in the case of rape or the death of the mother. Just proving the life of the precious “child” is inconsequential and instead just pushing their own agenda of anti freedom of choice is what’s important to them.
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2019
    FoxHastings likes this.
  11. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    37,537
    Likes Received:
    9,204
    Trophy Points:
    113
    FoxHastings said:
    Many responsible women get pregnant and have abortions.

    It's very responsible to not have a kid one doesn't want or can't afford.

    No matter how you denigrate women they are human …. that doesn't mean their rights can be taken away to suit you.



    I like how you can't address my post ...
     
  12. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2018
    Messages:
    268
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Thank you for not answering my questions. You must not have the power of your convictions.
    Society puts a value on a viable fetus and a woman has to judge the value of the fetus versus what is going on in her life and future life.
    Do you have the right to ask someone to leave your house even if you left the door open?
     
  13. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    6,651
    Likes Received:
    1,807
    Trophy Points:
    113
    But you're punishing the other person for physical harm that wasn't actually inflicted on the mother.

    (Unless you're making the "a fetus is a part of the mother's body" argument)
     
  14. Matt22yuc

    Matt22yuc Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2018
    Messages:
    178
    Likes Received:
    135
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    It was physical harm inflicted on the mother. What are you even talking about?
     
  15. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    6,651
    Likes Received:
    1,807
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes but you're seeking to punish the perpetrator far above and beyond just what the amount of physical damage that was done to the woman is.

    (Unless you're saying gut punching a woman who is pregnant is the same as punching a woman who is not pregnant)
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2019
  16. Matt22yuc

    Matt22yuc Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2018
    Messages:
    178
    Likes Received:
    135
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    I never said what punishment I would agree with. But yes assaulting a pregnant woman should deem a more significant charge than if they weren’t if that’s what your going on about.
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2019
  17. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    6,651
    Likes Received:
    1,807
    Trophy Points:
    113
    But why?
    Aren't you punishing the perpetrator just based on harm to the woman?
     
  18. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    41,472
    Likes Received:
    23,574
    Trophy Points:
    113
    A fetus does experience pain during an abortion.

    Pain receptors are present at 7 weeks of gestation, and are present in their whole body by 20 weeks.

    https://lozierinstitute.org/fact-sheet-science-of-fetal-pain/
     
  19. Matt22yuc

    Matt22yuc Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2018
    Messages:
    178
    Likes Received:
    135
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    You don’t think assaulting a pregnant woman causing her to miscarriage causes her more harm than not? What is your point?
     
  20. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    6,651
    Likes Received:
    1,807
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The pro-choice side is intellectually dishonest. They would be more than ready to punish a perpetrator for death caused to a fetus, if that perpetrator did not have the consent of the woman.

    However, because of their position, it's hard for most pro-choicers to admit to that.

    Then you'll try to skedaddle across the issue by talking about how a miscarriage is uncomfortable and does harm to a woman. (which is intellectually disingenuous, in my opinion)
     
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2019
  21. Matt22yuc

    Matt22yuc Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2018
    Messages:
    178
    Likes Received:
    135
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    There’s nothing disingenuous about it. The reason it should be punishable is because it causes harm on the woman. What about that doesn’t compute?
     
    FoxHastings likes this.

Share This Page