Does anyone here believe in reincarnation?

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  1. pol meister

    pol meister Well-Known Member

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    Not that I do, but I've seen some things in the Syriac text that suggest such a thing:

    Any man of so believing in him, not he to perish, but to become to him the lives of to yonder!”

    - John 3:15

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    However, in the KJV it's written like this:

    That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life."
    - John 3:15
     
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    lemmiwinx Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Eternal life, bah! What's the point of eternal life when liquor and gambling are banned?
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe humans are more than the sum of their parts, and that 'more' is an energy (soul, spirit, essence, w/e) that persists in some form after we physically die. Reincarnation seems as likely a method of that energy persistance as anything else. For now, theres only one surefire way to really find out, and I'm in no hurry ;)
     
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    No to reincarnation.
    2 Corinthians 5:1-9 settles it for me. This passage teaches:
    absent from the body -- present with the Lord.

    Start quote:
    "For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed,
    we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven,
    not built by human hands.

    Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed instead with
    our heavenly dwelling, because when we are clothed, we will
    not be found naked.

    For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened,
    because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed
    instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal
    may be swallowed up by life.

    Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is
    God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing
    what is to come.

    Therefore we are always confident and know that as long
    as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord.


    For we live by faith, not by sight. 8We are confident, I say,
    and would prefer to be away from the body and at home
    with the Lord.
    So we make it our goal to please him, whether
    we are at home in the body or away from it."
    End quote {2 Cor.5:1-9}

    ______________

    The passage pretty much explains itself, nonetheless note
    these points.

    {1} "the earthly tent" is our present physical bodies.
    {2} "an eternal house: is our heavenly bodies
    {3} "our heavenly dwelling" is also our heavenly bodies

    Paul concludes when we are at home in our earthly bodies
    we are away from the Lord -- so the reverse is true, namely
    when we die we go to be with the Lord "we would prefer to
    be away from the body and at home with the Lord."

    So?

    So no reincarnation.

    JAG


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    No to reincarnation. Also, in 2007 I had a 'happening' that not too many people experience. I was involved in a bad motorcycle accident (other guy at fault) and I went thru a period of four days being unconscious and in that period of time I was later told I flat-lined twice. I can attest to the fact that there is no light at the end of the tunnel. Perhaps my being an atheist contributed to that.
     
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    So whats the moral of your story?
    That you reap what you sow?
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It took me quite some time but I now believe that the Gilgul Cycle was almost certainly an important part of the teachings of the first and second century Messianic Jewish and Messianic Gentile communities.

    The idea that we might reincarnate as a woman would tend to really scare many first and second century Christians.

    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

     
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    Roughly seventy percent or more of people who have a brush with death DO NOT remember floating outside their bodies and meeting a Being of Light and reviewing their lives with this Being.

    Sometimes these memories are repressed due to their being offensive and rather scary. Dr. Maurice Rawlings hypnotized many of his own cardiac patients and found out that his patients remembered nothing during the time that they flat lined due largely to their being scared by what they saw while in the out of the body state.




    Dr. Maurice Rawlings - To Hell and Back Documentary MUST WATCH!!!
     
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    In my opinion the author of this article is not very well informed on hidden meaning in many statements all through the Bible.
    John 9:2 "And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?"


    Some people feel differently about the Dr. Ian Stevenson research.


    I for one take the Dr. Ian Stevenson research very, very seriously, so seriously that it is one of the major reasons that it is very difficult for me to fit in in any major Christian church no matter how much I like what they teach on other topics.


    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mat/17/1/s_946001


    And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

    But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

    Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.



    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mat/11/1/s_940001

    Mat 11:10

    For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

    Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

    And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

    For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

    And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

    He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
     
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    If it's true I hope I come back with the silver spoon instead of plastic, like to experience how the other half lives.
     
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    Translations from one language to another can be very tricky. Some words in another language can mean many different things depending on how it's used and there are words that have meaning in one language but no meaning in another. One example is the ancient Hebrew word that has been taken to mean the Red Sea has today, by many scholars determined to mean the Sea of Reeds.

    As for reincarnations, many religions and people around the world believe in it. I think it's possible, but I also think there no way to prove it until it happens, then only if one remembers their other lives. which usually doesn't happen, but does to certain individuals.
     
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    The world of the year 2185 or so is predicted to be impressive by some near death experiencers.

    https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/howard-storm.html#a04
    Near death experiencer Howard Storm :
     
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    Who's to say you wouldn't get an eternal life of liquor and gambling?
     
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    Are you telling me that you believe John the Baptist
    was the reincarnation of Elijah?
    You have only 3 choices:
    {1} You believe that John The Baptist WAS the reincarnation of Elijah.
    {2} You believe John was NOT the reincarnation of Elijah.
    {3} You don't know if he was, or if he was not.

    By the way, there is no clear Biblical evidence to support reincarnation.
    The whole and entire notion of reincarnation is based 100% in the
    imaginative speculations of fallen human beings whose intellect's
    are also fallen and corrupted and therefore in need of clear revelation
    from God as in "all Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for
    instruction" etc 2 Timothy 3:16-17

    So?

    So nowhere in the Bible has God taught the notion of reincarnation.


    Best.

    JAG


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    pol meister Well-Known Member

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    I agree translations can be very tricky. Even where I say "to become to him the lives of to yonder," it could also be interpreted as, "to become to him the living of to yonder." So it's hard to be definitive about any one verse or phrase, without digesting the overall context; and even then it can be open to interpretation.
     
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    For the life of me I cannot remember which video it was in but near death experiencer Dr. Kevin Zadai said that he was shown that Moses was given the Book of Genesis while he was up on the mountain with YHWH.


    https://www.youtube.com/c/KevinZadai/videos
     
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    Reincarnation is pagan. There is no evidence in the Bible that supports reincarnation. https://www.compellingtruth.org/past-lives-reincarnation.html

     
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    Liquor and gambling must be your idols to worship? There is still the resurrection even for those who won't be attending Heaven or one of the lower levels as pointed out in 1Corinthians 15. I would think you would rather be more interested being with your family eternally than a bottle or slot machine.
     

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