Does it bother you that Trump has attacked USA's most important ally since WW2?

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  1. gc17

    gc17 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They're both socialist what's the difference except Putin is fighting terrorist and Merkel is letting them infest her country. I might add I have love for neither.
     
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    Cdnpoli Banned

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    And what we have right now is because of globalization. I gotta say. I kind of like it. Do you hate it?
     
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    Cdnpoli Banned

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    I don't believe any American I've talked to knows what a real socialist looks like. Anyone who doesn't think like them is a socialist.
     
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    Right. Globalization has not benefited the poor for the last 70 years since WW2, but okay.
     
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    The EU and a common currency was a terrible idea. It enables the responsible to be damaged by the less responsible.
     
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    I chop wood for fun in the winter :smile:
     
  7. Brewskier

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    Actually it has. China, India, and elsewhere have a much higher standing of living now than 70 years ago. The wealth and jobs we have lost went to them, which has resulted in the hollowing out of our middle class in order to build up theirs.

    But that isn't what I was referring to. Having a one-world Government would almost certainly be left-wing, as the majority of the population in that one-world Government would be poor people, taking from those in the West who have more.
     
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    I wonder how many Trump detractors took The Obama to task on His words and actions that called into question the "special relationship" we have with the UK, our closest ally.
     
  9. gc17

    gc17 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If a person that doesn't think like me, a capitalist, is usually a socialist.

    1.

    a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.


    2.

    procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.


    3.

    (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
     
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    Cdnpoli Banned

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    Left Wing policies are geared toward more freedoms. Right wing policies if you go by US standards want to limit freedoms based on what they think Christianity deems acceptable
     
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    Except freedoms in business and the freedom to consume 20 ounce soft drinks. Then the left stands for less freedom.
     
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    It was created to defend against the spread of communism from the USSR, who we thought wanted to spread the communist revolution around the world. The Ussr is no more, nor is Russia a communist nation. We no longer fear the aggressive spread of USSR communism, for it no longer exists. Nor has Russia ever had a history of conquering their neighbors, nor western Europe. NATO only exists today to generate profits for the US war monger industries and their elite owners, which Ike warned us about. Russia does not have the military nor the wealth to conquer Europe. They are concerned with self defense from an aggressive NATO and the US.

    The reasons relations are they are with Russia is found in War is a Racket, and Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. All of you war mongering bastards should read both books so you do not get gamed, and played as a stooge.
     
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    So long as you are willing to accept the choices the left wing policies allow you to make, and are comfortable with the state forcing you to provide goods and services to others w/o compensation, sure.
     
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    I think you have the wrong thread. This isn't about NATO.

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    Canada is one of the most liberal countries in the world and we have a very low tax on business.

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    What? Are. You. Talking, about.
     
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    You said:

    The European Union. It was created to keep the peace in Europ since WW2 ended.

    That's NATO.
     
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    :wall:

    If this was about NATO I would have said so.
     
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    ...comfortable with the state forcing you to provide goods and services to others w/o compensation - this refers to the welfare state, social entitlements, etc.
    The above describes involuntary servitude, which is, of course, the exact opposite of freedom.

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    The description I quoted leave no other conclusion open. You refer to NATO.
     
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    Because you have to in order to compete with the US, given your high taxes everywhere else. In the US the left wants more taxes on businesses, not less.
     
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    So why are republican states the states with the most welfare receipents?
     
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    Avoiding the issue, eh?
    I accept your concession of the point.
    The welfare state, social entitlements, are examples of state-enforced involuntary servitude, which is, of course, the exact opposite of freedom.

    Fact is, left wing policies are about the choices and freedoms the state thinks you should have, rather than freedom in and of itself.
     
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    Fact is republican states in the US have the most welfare.
     
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    Which does nothing to negate my accurate characterization of left wing policy, which actively -opposes- freedom.
     
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    I'm inclined to agree. What we need today is an organized set of nation states focused on the scourge of Islamic terrorism. The world has moved forward, and so have our defense needs.

    An interesting thought, but you fail to mention some very important things. Let's take a look at one of these. What is it that motivated the British to break away from the EU? I'll give you a little hint: they grew tired of having their immigration policies dictated by Brussels. If the union was so important, why was it necessary for it to show complete disregard towards immigration sovereignty? Well, because such ideas fly in the face of everything which the globalists hold dear.

    Yup. The idea was to push towards a one-world government. Unfortunately for the "progressives", people are finally beginning to push back.

    Well, some would say that the purpose of NATO was to act as a counterweight to the Warsaw Pact states.
     
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    No, I was saying that we shall wait to see how the Brexit actually affects them. Other countries may follow suit. Europe and Canada are too dependent on the US to protect them and fix all their problems. You all are going to have to do your fair share...that's fair...
     
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    True.
    Should the US withdraw from the general defense of Europe, the states there will be hard-pressed to create a credible deterrent to any potential Russian aggression, especially given their current levels of social spending.
     

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