Does it bother you that Trump has attacked USA's most important ally since WW2?

Who cares , we Americans don't want that crap . Hence Donald Trump, an American for America. This is why your shivering in your slippers, your scared to death.

 

I would argue that the UK, not the EU, is the US's most important ally.

 

Ah no don’t do that, we love you playing soldiers over here, policemen of the world etc. it gives us oodles of money to spend on the important things in life.

 

Perhaps because her father was a committed socialist who moved from West Germany to East Germany? Not the normal change of address for a freedom lover. And she worked in the worked in the Orwellian named department of Agitation and Propaganda. A minister who worked with her said she "propagated Marxism-Leninism".

If your threads were not so hysterically funny, I would certainly ignore you for your constant slurs against America and Americans. I may do it anyway.

http://www.spiegel.de/international...loser-to-communism-than-thought-a-899768.html

 

Yes you’re right, immigration was the deciding factor. We are a relatively small island so mass immigration causes big problems for our community services.

However the future is uncertain, the UK can’t even feed itself, we have import over half of our food. What is left of our once thriving industry is owned by foreign investors.
London is the home of a world wide banking complex. I can’t see that changing. There was some talk early of loosing out to Frankfort but it’s not come to pass. London is very attractive to investors and the money men. No language barrier to business, Europe is two hours by train away and London night life and its many attractions are another plus point if you have the cash to afford them.

As for globalization I don’t see this coming about through a political unification but certainly through the advance of technology which will mean the collapse of capitalism and much of the world we know now. If we don’t destroy the planet before that is.
It’s the old saying coming true.

The factory of the future will have one man and a dog in charge. The man to feed the dog and the dog to stop the man from touching anything.

 

1993, what happened in 1993 ? Who was the President of the United States and the Secretary of State in 1993 ?

There was no Cold War because President Reagan won the Cold War. Incoming President G.H. Bush made a promise to Mikhail Gorbachev, tear down the "Wall" and NATO will stay in place and slowly dismantle and NATO will never enter Poland or never put troops on Russia's borders.

The Wall came down and the USSR was no more and the Russian bear went into hibernation.

1993 Secretary of State Madeleine Albright who was a hyphenated-American naturalized citizen who was born in the former Czechoslovakia hates Russians big time and convinced President Clinton to restart the Cold War by not pulling out of NATO but to make NATO even larger than it was during the Cold War by bringing in former Warsaw Pact nations into NATO. This would put NATO troops on Russia's borders.

Now NATO only had one mission, killing Russian soldiers.

Guess what happened ? The Russian bear came out of hibernation.

 

NATO original mission was to keep the countries of Western Europe free and to respond to an invasion of the USSR and Warsaw Pact. To keep the Iron curtain in place and not to let it expand further west. NATO's original mission was completed and was a success once the USSR broke apart and the Warsaw Pack disbanded.

Now you have NATO playing the policeman of the world in cooperation with the USA.

 

Republicans and especially the alt-right don't even own passports. Why would they care about England or anywhere else? They're like angry farmers with pitchforks and torches...

 

Exactly with NATO. It was organized to deter the USSR and Warsaw Pact from taking over western Europe as they did eastern Europe. NATO was an unqualified success in that. Mission accomplished.

 

I am not necessarily calling for withdrawal, I am saying that freebie time is over. If Europe wants protection, they will have to pay. Why should the US foot the bill for everything? Doesn't Europe have any pride?

 

I heat my house and two others with wood I chopped. You Canucks are getting soft up there.

 

You should learn what "attack" means before posting an idiotic thread.

 

Then why is the US spending over 3% of GDP on defense while most European countries refuse to invest even 2%? Are you truly worried about the great Russian menace or not? If you are, then prove it. Invest in your own defense and don't ask America to do it for you. Why should even one young American give up his life for people who refuse to defend themselves?

 

Then why are you posting on a site about American politics? Now Brexit is Trump's fault?

If they are the most important US ally why does it bother you? You don't live in either place.

And why are you so obsessed with Trump? He's all you talk about!

It's over...let it go!

 

I don't see a problem with it. It's because of the EU that Europe is doomed. They're dead countries walking now, thanks to the muslim invasion. England is also dead, but at least they understood the dangers enough to vote for a brexit. Whether they actually do is something I'm highly doubtful of. Their leaders have so far refused to do it, despite the brexit referendum.

Is it dangerous? I don't see how. It's probably best to start severing ties with them now, rather than later when the MSHTF.

 

You don't want the EU? That's not up to you, yank.

 

There are a lot of things that bother me about Trump, but not much I can do about it for another 4 years. I will wait, watch and hope that he will not be as bad as I think he will be, and hope he will surprise me in a good way.

 

What Trump does is not up to you,either, Angie!

 

Are you sure? How did "Europ" keep the peace between 1945 and 1993?

The EU hasn't looked like it was going to make for a very long time. The Euro for example, has been struggling for years.

But it can't survive Trump's indifference? Trump's indifference is a bigger blow that GB's exit? On what planet?

 

Wrong. I would love to return to lower population levels, fresher air, and a more rural existence.

 

I've been tempted to do that as well, but I find our Canadian friend's posts a bit amusing.

Exactly. And we will stand with the UK, no matter what its relationship to the EU.

Yup. And acting as policeman was never what NATO was about. If we'd like to go after a new objective, we should form a new organization.

Exactly. Uncle Sam is $20 Trillion in the hole. Our charitable work vis-a-vis protecting the world (and Europe in particular) is done for now.

Excellent question. Still trying to get that one answered my own self...

Wow. First you blame Donald Trump for the British exit, then you say it's not up to us yanks. Now I have whiplash thanks to you. So who you gonna blame for the Nexit?

 

The reason that the UK left the EU had nothing to do with America and Trump never came into the equation. The EU started as a single market which the UK joined late. Over the years the union took on a more political slant, imposing sets of laws that in some cases overrode the laws of member states.

The movers and shakers were Germany and France both of who are not regarded as great friends of the UK, both have tried to invade our island unsuccessfully in the past so the seeds of leaving the EU were always there.
The crunch came when the poorer nations were granted membership and because of free movement between EU members many wanted to live in the affluent nations rather than their own and that tipped the balance so we told them to get stuffed and walked out.

 

French and British and Irish leave is enough then we are the EU so we are 25 members. Germany are biggest EU country then Poland then Italy and Spain. Great news for me. U.K. Ireland, Norway, France, Swizz, Serbia, Bosnia, Albania, Armenia, Belarus and Ukraine outside the EU and with more in country watch. At least 50 European country watch inside Europe.

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50 with four inside British.

 

100% false! Even absurd claim.

Trump isn't even president yet and couldn't have ordered an "attack" against the EU even if he wanted to. Who is ordering attacks against countries is President Obama.

 

Your message is nonsense. Trade agreements do not equate to a collective government.