Does this bill have any chance of passage?

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bipartisan duo makes last-minute push for immigration deal

    WASHINGTON — A bipartisan Senate duo has launched a last-minute push to enact immigration reform before the end of the year.

    Sens. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz., and Thom Tillis, R-N.C., have been sharing with colleagues what they are calling a “draft framework” that includes $25 billion to beef up border security in exchange for a pathway to citizenship for roughly 2 million “Dreamers,” young, undocumented immigrants who were brought to the U.S. by their parents, according to a Senate aide familiar with the effort.

    The framework, which sources said is "in flux," also calls for extending Title 42 for at least a year until the creation of “regional processing centers” along the border which would be staffed with increased resources and personnel to accommodate arriving asylum seekers. Title 42 is a Trump-era Covid policy that allowed authorities to restrict asylum-seekers from crossing the border into the U.S.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...mmigration-deal-rcna60202?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

    In 2013 a compromise reform bill was passed in the Senate that also included enhanced border security measures (not an ineffectual wall). Then Boehner killed it because it included an 11 year pathway to citizenship for qualified immigrants here illegally.
    I'm skeptical enough Senate Repubs will support any reform bill because they don't want solutions to the immigration problem. They want a campaign issue. And they certainly don't want to give Biden another piece of legislation he can point to as an achievement.
     
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    Democrats won't support any bill that stems the flow of illegal aliens into this country. These are the slaves their party promised them..
     
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    Neither party wants to solve the immigration problem.

    1. They need it as an issue.
    2. They don't want any responsibility for the outcome.
     
  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And you reconcile that blather with record apprehensions on the southern border how?
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dems need it as an issue? Repubs are beating them over the head with it.
     
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    They created incintives for them to come in record numbers. Also a much higher percentage of them are being let loose in the country after they illegally received asylum.
     
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    I guess you don't watch the actual news. What happens once they have been detained? Do you not understand they are all released? Can you even acknowledge that?
     
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    Do me a favor and provide the evidence. What happens after their release if they are in fact released?
     
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    They have supported such bills in the past, and clearly they are doing it again (read the OP).

    Well, that is simply not true. CBP numbers show record expulsions and deportations. Who told you they are all released?

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    That $25 billion will not be used to "beef up border security". It will be used to build those regional processing centers. So no, it should not pass.
     
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    Did you see an itemized list?
     
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    When is the last time you saw ANY "itemized list" in ANY bill from Congress? All that itemization gets done after bills pass.
     
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    The Myorkis testimony to congress. Widely covered. He admitted it... actually, he lied, and said "under title 42 they are promptly deported" which we know is a lie, they are not deported, and they are released within the US on their own recognizance.. ICE has estimated 2Million which we know is underreported. And we know they are simply released in the US. Did you need anything else to quibble about?
     
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    LOL @ "beef up border security".... :lol:

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    You're right, I heard the break-out of items that would be funded with this enormous amount of money. It's a 'cake-and-eat-it' kind of deal that Democrats may make a real effort to pass. Think: they get all these illegal alien "dreamers" off the hook (and you can bet they and their 'extended families' will all be loyal Democrat voters in the years ahead), and they get a ton of money poured into facilities that make it even easier and faster to bring even more illegal aliens and "asylum" fraudsters in here after all these facilities are expanded!

    You have to admire the radical Democrat way of thinking because they are truly masters of 'the long game'! They created the framework and methodology for swamping the country with illegal aliens way back in the 1960's, and under the Biden regime it is working even better for them than ever before....
     
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    Yes. The over 1M deportations.
     
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    They said there would be $25 billion dedicated specifically to beef up border security,. Then it continues by saying they will also extend Title 42 (fast-track expulsions) until the creation of regional processing centers. It sounds like two different goals, but you say all the money will be spent on processing centers. Its impossible to spend $25 billion on processing centers.

    IMO, its possible for them to discuss further and ensure majority of the money is spent on wall and other border security measures. Dems have been willing to compromise on this in the past, so if GOP is willing to compromise on giving the "dreamers" amnesty, then they would have a deal.
     
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    Their history is, let 5-10 million covertly enter and "Amnesty". Then reset the counter and the whole insanity starts once again :)
     
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    Democrats have a history of promising to beef up border security when it comes to illegal immigration...and then not following through with it or doing a purposefully crappy job at it. Sorry, I don't believe any of them on this subject.
     
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    The CurrentTroof™. :roll:

    As we all know, to Open Borders Demokrats, Immigration Reform/Solutions to the Immigration Problem = Amnesty.

    Republicans have proposed and enacted solutions to the illegal immigration problem but Open Borders Demokrats and Leftists don't want that.

    The problem we've been witnessing since Biden & Co. took office is one of their own creation, and they could put an end to it today if they wanted to but they don't. They want open borders, amnesty and handouts for prospective Demokrat voters.
     
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    Last time when this happened, GOP controlled the Congress most of the time, but unlike last time, this time the money is authorized up front.

    Anyway, its a moot point, because clearly people like you opt for status quo (do nothing), which gives them the opportunity to cry, whine and point fingers about it for years to come. As someone already mentioned, they prefer to keep the problem because it gives them political juice.

    Nothing new under the sun.
     
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    Just because I don't want THIS bill to pass, does not mean that I want the status quo to remain the same. I want our border security SOLVED. Not handed down from Congress to Congress election year after election year after election year.

    Maybe you should ask what I would want done rather than assuming the crap you just did.
     
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    If the bill passes, there is no guarantee that Biden will enforce the law and defend our borders. Biden is a lawless President who is allowed to get away with just about anything.
     
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    Which simply didn't happen. As Myorkis et al have simply lied about it in congress. Your team is essentially allowing an invasion to happen, and they are fully supportive of it. That sounds a lot like treason. And this is you clapping for it, right?
     
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    Well, they offer to spend $25 billion to solve it, but you reject it because ............you assume they are lying. So, knowing you'll reject everything under the same premise, then what would be acceptable to you? If there is some an idea you won't reject using the same blanket argument, then do share.

    Another one opts for status quo using the same "argument".
     
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