Does Zionism= Racism?

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Is Zionism a form of racism?

  1. Yes

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  2. Only partially

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    every week or so I see a Zionist call for ethnic cleansing or express bigotry against Muslims, Arabs, blacks, etc.

    makes me wonder if Zionism today is attached by the hip to racism.
     
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    Lebensraum = Apartheid = Zionism


    Not a shred of difference among them.
     
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    No, it is a religious dispute. If it weren't the muslims would have integrated into Israeli society.
     
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    funny, i know lots of Arab Christians who take this very seriously.
     
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    It is the Zionists who refuse to create a One State Solution. Had it been implemented fifty years ago the Muslim population would be the majority and democracy would flourish there.
     
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    The fact you didn't include no! As an option is what's wrong with this world and why we cannot heal!
     
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    The Arabs rejected a bi-national state.
     
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    Some Palestinians have favored the one state solution, especially if it is called Palestine. After all, it is their land and their Koran (like the Bible) mandates granting sanctuary to refugees. Had that plan been adopted 50 years Muslims would have been the clear majority and the problems we see there would not exist.
     
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    Zionism is a form of extreme Nationalism. That's bad enough.
     
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    I do not think Zionism is racism.

    Most Jews work for the whole Humankind.
     
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    Zionism and Judaism do not proclaim superiority.

    Jewish scientists were/are a large driving force in the progress of Humankind.
     
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    One could conclude that while yes, there are versions of Zionism that are not racist and Apartheid-like, the current dominant form of Zionism is indeed racist and Apartheid-like.

    Why? the dominant and current form of Zionism allows racism in housing. It allows to exist the old property laws that stripped Arabs of their property because they fled across the border. The law even stripped Arabs of their property if they simply fled to a different part of Israel.

    Only Israeli citizens are allow to live in the settlements in the West Bank. I doubt Arabs would be allowed in if they tried to move their in large numbers.

    The Palestinian flag is currently banned in public places.

    It is illegal for Palestinians to marry an Israeli and then move to Israel.

    It is illegal to ban Arabs in housing.

    Illegal Israeli housing is routinely legalized in the West Bank. Never happens for illegal Palestinian housing.

    etc etc.


    Now, what are the non-racist versions of Zionism? Look at Meretz, the New Israel Fund, and other left-wing Israeli groups. Sadly their version of Zionism, is in the small minority.
     
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    I don't see anything racist in it. Religious, perhaps. A desire to avoid the pitfalls of diversity, also possible. A national security issue. For sure.
     
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    bigotry against a different ethnicity and religion is today classified as a form of racism.
     
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    Who classifies religion as a form of racism? Race is a physical thing. Religion is a belief. They have nothing to do with one another. I can't help but think you invented that.
     
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    The UN does not define "racism"; however, it does define "racial discrimination". According to the 1965 UN International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination,[24]

    The term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.

    Discrimination against Arabs and non-Jews, is a form of racism.
     
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    Jews do not view observant Muslims and Christians as sinners. We view them as Righteous Noahides.

    There is a conflict between Jews and Palestinians. French Catholics and German Catholics had a series of much worse conflicts.
     
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    C'est @Ronstar

    Moi ;)


     
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    Where is the part about religion? It is your quote.
     
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    By you, perhaps, but not by me or anybody I know.
     
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    Arabs are an ethnicity.
     
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    Jewish? How can someone or some group be racist against a religion? Is religion a race?
     
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    I wouldn't say its racist but it certainly is prejudiced. I consider Zionism to be one of the biggest mistakes the world's Jews ever made, it turned them into the monsters they fled and suffered from for centuries.
     
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    Is the formation of any nation a form or racism by itself with other context?

    I remember when the U.N. passed that bogus “Zionism is racism” resolution. Cuban dictator Fidel Castro was behind it. He headed up what he called a group called “nonaligned nations.” Yea, Cuba in debt to the Soviet Union and following Mao’s communist system was a “nonaligned nation.” Yea right.

    Their hypocritical resolution dripped with antisemitism and hate. It was a low point in the history of the U.N.
     
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