Don gets a pass...........for everything. One could argue it began here.

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    THEY



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    DON'T




    CARE
     
  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's been well established. The vexing question is why?
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's not about the amount of money. It's Don using any military money to stage a political stunt.
     
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    You might deny it openly but you know every president does that. Some non presidents as well. Remember Michael Dukakis riding the Abrams tank? I doubt his campaign bought the tank. Fortunately that stunt backfired on him big time.
     
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    Well, Dukakis wasn't the prez. Not to mention that the famous photo of him in a tank was taken at a General Dymanics plant in MI and thus there was no cost to the military.
    The point I'm making is if a Dem like Hillary or Obama drained the funds of DC or used public money................

    "In addition to the cost to the military, the Washington Post reported last week that the U.S. National Park Service had diverted $2.5 million in park entrance fees to help pay for the event.
    The actual cost for the Pentagon is likely higher, since the Pentagon said funding for the aircraft demonstrations came from the military services’ training budgets."
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...y-at-least-1-2-million-pentagon-idUSKCN1U42MW

    ..............for what was essentially a campaign event held under the guise of a national celebration you'd be screaming bloody blue murder.
     
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    I didn't scream about it while Obama was president. Are you suggesting there were not flybys at events he was at during the 2008 or 2012 election campaigns? Come on.

    And in regards to Michael Dukakis. You seriously think the Abrams tank he was riding in was built by the factory just for the hell of it? No it was built by U.S. government funding. Get real.
     
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    Yes, the tank would eventually be sold to the government. But the expense of riding in it by Dukakis, if there was any charge, would have been incurred by the Dukakis campaign, not taken from government coffers funded by the public.

    "Are you suggesting there were not flybys at events he was at during the 2008 or 2012 election campaigns? Come on."
    If you have any evidence Obama did anything similar to what Don did please provide it.
     
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    The panic caused by the Access Hollywood tape was quickly forgotten. The next day, Michael Cohen was contacted to coverup the Russian hooker pee pee tape. The tRump campaign had bigger problems that dwarfed all concerns about the Access Hollywood tape, which obviously wasn't considered important enough to be much of an issue, at that time.

    tRump's attitude towards women on the Access Hollywood tape is rather damning when someone charges tRump with rape.

    tRump's statements about Epstein liking beautiful women on the younger side is damning, too. He made that statement on October 28, 2002, long before Epstein was investigated and definitely hints he knew about things Epstein was doing.
     
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    You have proof of that? Weapons contracts are not done that way you know. Contractors get paid up front.
     
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    "Are you suggesting there were not flybys at events he was at during the 2008 or 2012 election campaigns? Come on."
    If you have any evidence Obama did anything similar to what Don did please provide it.

    Bennett was a 23-year-old political rookie in 1988 when he was sent to a General Dynamics facility in Sterling Heights, Mich., to organize a campaign stop for Democratic presidential nominee Michael Dukakis: a ride in a 68-ton M1A1 Abrams Main Battle Tank.
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/11/dukakis-and-the-tank-099119

    Please provide any proof you have that the government was charged for the cost of the fuel used during the photo op.
     
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    You win then. I'm not going to go beyond you link reading more about the hapless Dukakis. Point is that he fully intended to use U.S. military hardware for political purposes which is what you've accused Trump of doing.

    If I were president I would probably have 100 damned tanks in a parade. Even if I had to hold it at Fort Bliss. Singapore National Day Parade is a good model.
     
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    I told you why.

    "You have to understand, a small minority of American voters -- 27% of the electorate -- voted for Trump because of those factors.

    They for voted someone whose character was much like themselves in nearly every respect, including intellectual capabilities."

    The interesting thing is, Trump's fans do not deny it. It is the truth and they know it.

    It explains why they don't care that Trump is a sexual predator. They don't care that he is chummy with communist dictators while infuriating our allies, including our strongest, longest, and most reliable ally, Great Britain. They don't care when he makes a complete fool of himself, which happens many times.

    They don't care what Trump says or does. They simply ignore what Trump says and does. The last person Trump fans want to talk about is Trump. On numerous post on numerous threads Trump's fans prove the assertion every day.

    They wanted a cowardly, draft dodging, narcissistic jerk for a President, and they got one.

    Trump's fans are happy.
     
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    Why do you think people that voted for Trump are "his fans"?

    I figure the overwhelming majority of Trump voters simply loathed Hillary Clinton and President Obama.
     
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    I laughed at "Planet Hollywood" the capital of PORN, Two week Celebrity Marriages, forced/coerced and producer rape sex for parts.. Ya I was all flabbergasted when I saw the post LOLOLOLOL
     
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    I think you are on the right track. It has to do with his followers finding someone who gives voice to things they felt they couldn't say out loud. It's a revolt against tolerance of others different from yourself, a rejection of an intellectual, fact based rather than visceral, simplistic approach to issues. They are essentially supporting their crazy uncle who gets excused for the ignorant things he says cuz he is part of the family.
     
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    not at all, most American partied when young

    Trump is still a obnoxious school yard bully, he has never grown up

    what is funny is Trump's 3rd wife is pushing to end bullies, the part of Trump she must not like

    she can't tell Donald directly, so she is doing it in her own way
     
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    I think you'll find that a lot of the support for Trump (beyond the dislike for Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama) was the disdain and disappointment with the Republican establishment. I can't count the times I heard Republican supporters expressing their unhappiness with the inability of the Republican congress to successfully block President Obama's policies and initiatives. And I actually heard Congressional Republicans claim that the GOP needed SIXTY FIVE Senate seats and a majority of at least ONE HUNDRED seats in the House in order to block the policies of a Democratic president and advance those of conservatives.

    In short they were claiming they would never be able to do anything.

    Is it any surprise that Trump won?
     
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    I supported Trump in the beginning, he could of been a good President if not for his fragile ego

    if he put America first instead of Trump first, he could of been a great President, he wasted a good opportunity to be great

    I thought Trump was an outsider and would be able to bring the parties together, I was wrong

    I want people in government that can work together to make America better first... then if they have the votes they can worry about their pet projects, but that is rare, most of the time they just need to work on the hard stuff

    I worry that are debt is getting out of control and that neither party could fix it even if they wanted to now - soon all we will be able to afford is the interest payments - we can't afford more wars or tax cuts for the rich - but what is done is done, how can we move forward, those are the had questions government has to address
     
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    What was also embarrassing about Trump’s environmental news conference was the way he had a gaggle of Cabinet Secretaries around him to sing his praises and generally fawn at his lowness’ splendor. It didn’t help that he group shot was a postcard view of the flagrant corruption of the Trump Administration.
     
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    Oooh , is trump bullying you ? Poog guy.
     
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    Personally, I've never heard or read any Trump supporter give that rationale. In fact, Repubs were quite successful obstructing Obama throughout his entire presidency despite the myth of Obama having a filibuster proof majority for his first two years. With the exception of the ACA, which has gained in popularity while being sabotaged endlessly by Repubs, they blocked virtually everything they could including immigration reform and Obama choosing Merrick Garland to replace Scalia. It should also be noted that while having control of Congress and the WH for the first two years of Trump's admin Repubs did nothing except pass the budget busting tax cut for the rich and corporations. These days, all the Senate does is fail to act on any bills coming out of the House. The GOP has earned its reputation as the party of no.
    The Party of No: New Details on the GOP Plot to Obstruct Obama
    http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/the-party-of-no-new-details-on-the-gop-plot-to-obstruct-obama/
    Democrats set to use McConnell's legislative graveyard against him
    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...-mcconnells-legislative-graveyard-against-him
    McConnell blocks bills to combat election interference
    https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/...s-to-combat-election-interference-60531781794
     
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    Be fair now, when the political Left has got nothing to speak of in its bags of dirty tricks then it sprinkles metaphorical arsenic on the nothing and goes with that. One has got to admire their determination in this. No matter how often Trump or surfacing facts RAMS reality back down their gagging throats, still they are determined to learn absolutely nothing meaningful from the endlessly repeated experience. It's a beautiful thing to watch unfold. No wonder Joseph Stalin found the political Left so very, very useful in consolidating his power.
     
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    Perhaps most of these leftists have never been inside a locker room or ever just engaged in a bullshit lace bull session wherein one automatically dismisses a good percentage of what one hears.
     

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