Donald Trump's administration is after Julian Assange and it serves as a warning to us all

This issue is such a minefield. Everyone seems to randomly switch their typical views.

How the left is vaguely supportive of Assange blows my mind given he is mired in Russian associations.

As for myself, I also think he is a Twonk as you say, my support/opposition for him largely depends on whether he assisted Manning in obtaining the material or just received it.

 

Still playing games, I see.
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Your weak claim that they could share with whoever they want to dodges the question. Which I expected.

Of course, you completely ignored my question regarding what the Russians would want that information for if they weren’t trying to influence the election for Trump (or for that matter, why only the Trump campaign made such an offer).

Maybe you’ll think of something.

Yanokovich is Ukrainian. But he was Moscow’s man, and Moscow paid the bills. You can fool yourself by trying to pretend this isn’t well known, if you like.

 

Facts aren’t games, but I can see how your mental gymnastics with the truth can seem that way

 

So, in the best of right wing tradition, credibility goes to the crackpot conspiracy theorist..........

 

You have no clue what you are talking about. What is an indisputable fact is that what you are talking about has been ruled "freedom of the press".

 

I think you should try reading what I said again.

 

True, I didn't want to get into that argument with them. I've seen reports of it being an inside job.
https://nypost.com/2017/08/15/new-report-claims-dnc-hack-was-an-inside-job-not-russia/
Some will dismiss it, but there is something very fishy about the Awan issue.

 

This nonsense was dicredited almost on arrival.

It’s is also reported taht the material was delivered to the Ecuadorian embassy by Russian operatives by hand. I do not know if this is true, but the pattern of Assange’s behavior and the visitor logs at the Embassy suggest that it probably is.

Anyway, that reporting has a lot more credibility than a bunch of right wing formers (some of whom have had their security clearances revoked for past behavior).

 

Sure, sure, Left wing conspiracy theories are more credible than Right wing conspiracy theories, got it.

 

You don’t have any facts on your side.

All of my remarks are accurate and have been documented.

Manafort is Moscow’s man, despite your very weak attempts to pretend otherwise. He owed Oleg Deripashka $19 million, and hoped to peddle the Trump documents as a way of “wiping the slate” (his words, not mine).

Trump certainly knew about it, although I don’t have proof of that.

The Trump campaign happily shared internal data that it would never share with its opponents or the press. It would not share with those people. But they were happy to share that data with the agents of a hostile intelligence service of a country running a cyber attack against the United States.

You can make excuses all you want. But that is what happened. And the flagrant disloyalty and craven willingness to sell an IOU to the Russian FSB in order to get their covert help winning an election.

It’s all there. It’s documented in excruciating detail. They even have the names of the Russians who ran the operation.

It happened. Trump supporters fell for it. And most of them are still playing useful idiot to the biggest useful idiot of them all.

 

I like how you say all you have his facts then say “trump certainly knew, but I have no evidence of that...”

Hahaha

The trump campaign regularly shared polling data with the press.

And no, nobody cares that Manafort discussed it with a former Ukrainian employee of his.

 

Whistleblowers like Manning, Kiriakou, Binney, Drake and all the others are motivated by an effort to correct a wrong. They are true patriots, willing to put their own lives and comfort at risk to correct their government's criminal activity.

Wikileaks is merely an outlet to do so, just as NYT and WaPo were outlets for Daniel Ellsberg.

That is, Assange was not enticing Manning to do what he did. Assange was merely an outlet for Manning to accomplish his own goals.

Only from memory, I think Manning had attempted to or hoped to go to NYT or WaPo, but for technical or other reasons it didn't work out.

 

No, credibility goes to men like Binney, Drake and the members of VIPS, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity.

Credibility DOES NOT go to professional perjurers like Brennan, Clapper and the rest. Maybe in your frustrated world, but not mine.

 

The trouble with your theory is that many months ago the embassy records of those visiting Assange did not include any Russians. Moreover, Assange noted at least once that I saw, maybe twice, that the source of the DNC material was not Russian.

 

Frankly, I am of no real concern who broke the law and hacked the DNC. Whomever, should be brought to justice. With that said, I was equally alarmed at the information we learned from the DNC emails, and how corrupt the organization was(is).

It's like someone broke into a home, and found a stash of child porn. We don't excuse the child porn, simply because it was discovered by an illegal act.

 

Still playing games, I see,

No, I don’t have proof that Trump knew about it. We don’t have proof that Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting in advance.

We may have to wait till the moment when Don Jr tries to dodge that question in Congressional testimony before we’re clear on that one.

Trump had known Manafort for nearly thirty years when all this happened. Trump certainly knew about Manafort’s Russia connections, and so does Roger Stone.

The Trump campaign did not share this type of material with the press at all. Another weak dodge.

And, once again, you’re dancing past the questions of why the Russians would be interested, if a.) they weren’t coordinating to get Trump elected, or b.) could read it in the newspaper.

The more absurd and weak your rationalizations get, the more ridiculous they obviously are!

Binney had his security clearance revoked years ago for this kind of stuff. Now he’s trolling the trash blogs, validating the conspiracy theories for the willfully obtuse.

 

You do.

You’ve been either insisting that none of this happened, or that it doesn’t matter for two and a half years.

 

Haha I’m playing games...when you now claim you don’t need proof of your claims? Haha haha

 

When did I make that claim? I never suggested the dnc wasn’t hacked...they clearly were

 

You are right .. you did not comment on the legality of the publishing of classified material - my bad.

 

When it comes to Wikileaks I remember the New York Times publishing classified material (The Pentagon Papers) and the SCOTUS ruling.

Personally I believe the SCOTUS got it wrong which they do to many times.

If Assange aided Obama's LGBT idol, Chelsea Manning in anyway, Assange is guilty of espionage.

Publishing the hacked DNC and Podesta emails was one of the best things Wikileaks ever did, exposing that the DNC being a corrupt, third word banana republic political organization.

And what did the DNC do ? Instead of cleaning house they were inflicted with TDS and moved further to the left.

 

Julian Assange broke the law then fled prosecution. Why shouldn't law enforcement be trying to get their hands on him?

 

It might help if you stop thinking in terms of "the left." You are aware that people are individuals with thoughts and feelings of their own, right?

 

I am aware of this.

 

Look who's talking conspiracy theory! Where did you get that Russian operatives hand delivered material for Assange to the Ecuadorian embassy? And how did they slip by the Ecuadorians?