Donald Trump's Ego Is Going to Further Polarize American Politics

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    LOL! Mr. Trump and the ditto-heads in his camp are wretchedly clinging to this tack of portraying him as a maverick opponent of the status quo who’s going to lose the election because the establishment has put the fix in for Mrs. Clinton! Actually, of course, The Donald is a member of the capitalist establishment, which would love nothing more than to have one of its own in the White House (although it does well enough exercising its political clout via co-opted politicians). The only reason that the capitalist ruling class, its ideologically stalwart party, the GOP, and the media that it owns is not favoring you, Mr. Trump, is certainly not that you’re a genuine man of the common people and a threat to their interests (your predictable proposal to seriously cut taxes for the superrich amply confirms this), but rather that you’re an exceedingly unsavory, divisive, and psychologically unfit demagogue, narcissist, sexist, and racist whose installment in the highest office in the land would have catastrophic consequences.

    But of course Mr. Trump and his dull-witted choir of deplorables will simply keep singing the same absurd song to drown out any more realistic analysis of why the election will go to Mrs. Clinton. It would be amusing, if it wasn’t so annoying and pathetic. And quite dangerous, since buying into the face-saving cop-out that Mr. Trump lost the election because it was “rigged” against him will leave his disturbingly large base full of resentment and entrench them a good bit deeper in an us against the “liberal establishment” mindset, when the only legitimate and productive us vs. them perspective would be one that more correctly recognizes that it’s the multitudes of humanity against the capitalist establishment, the socioeconomically disenfranchised 99% against the hegemonic owning 1%, the increasingly dispossessed working class and underclasses against a ruling class of ballooningly fat fat cats (of which, I’ll point out yet again, Mr. Trump is a member). That is, all of Mr. Trump’s lame talk (designed to protect his own, apparently fragile if humungously grandiose, self-image from the harsh reality that he’s about to actually lose, despite his ego’s hype that he’s supposed to be a winner extraordinaire) about being cheated out of the presidency is going to set his supporters up to become a part of the problem of the senseless right vs. left polarization in American politics, rather than encourage them in the direction of real solutions for our society’s social and economic troubles. Yes, merely as an ego defense Mr. Trump is going to make a massive contribution to further dividing the American people, to setting workingperson against fellow workingperson, to estranging neighbor from neighbor. Oh well, he'll inadvertently be doing his part to promote the divide and conquer MO of the ruling class – which isn't all that surprising, as, again, he's a member of the ruling class. Thanks a lot, The Donald, I’m sure that you’ll be remembered very admiringly and fondly for this by our posterity. NOT!
     
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    My above recrimination against Mr. Trump, to the effect that his ego-defensive claim that he’s losing because the election is in the process of being “rigged” against him is going to lead to a worsening of the already existing conservative vs. liberal polarization of our society is actually somewhat charitable. Well, in the case of some extremist Trumpites it’s in fact already inciting thoughts of physical violence and the assassination of Mrs. Clinton. Yes, there are already self-described “patriotic” gun-owning individuals who are shooting off their mouths in front of news cameras about potentially starting a shooting war with the government, with Mrs. Clinton literally as their main target.

    This is the kind of insurrectionary lunatic alt-right mentality that feels emboldened to come out from under its rock thanks to the rabble-rousing crazy talk of The Donald. And yes, eventually some Second Amendment-spouting alt-right wannabe Lee Harvey Oswald is going to act on his hatred by either attempting to knock off Mrs. Clinton, or by shooting a law enforcement officer, or by going on a killing spree in a synagogue, etc. That is, human blood is going to be shed, and it will be on the hands of Mr. Trump and his mock-populist campaign. For now we just have wackos engaging in trash talk about whacking the future president and probably getting themselves hauled in for questioning by the Secret Service or the FBI, but eventually real crimes will be committed as a direct result of Mr. Trump’s incendiary demagogic schtick.

    Mr. Trump has indeed proven to be more than a sexist jerk or a joke on the Republican Party with an alarming hope of becoming president. As he goes down in defeat as a presidential candidate he’s now become a new and more chilling kind of a danger, he’s going from being an injector of more of the far-but-still-conventional-right’s familiar brand of toxicity into the bloodstream of this country’s body politic to an outright ignitor of the fanaticism of this country’s counterpart to “radical Islam”, a radicalized redneck demographic and movement espousing nativism, white nationalism and supremacism, anti-Islamism, anti-feminism, anti-government nuttiness, a quasi-religious devotion to the Second Amendment, right-wing populism, and neoreactionary thought. Well, thanks ever so much for your service to your country, Mr. Trump, with patriots like you the United States doesn’t need any foreign enemies.
     
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    Yes, Mr. Trump is certainly showing his serious lack of true love for this country by promoting the disgruntlement of conservatives, the radical redneck worldview, and domestic terrorism.

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    Hmm, apparently no one is interested in disagreeing? Perhaps this is a positive sign, or perhaps alt-right types are simply too busy cleaning their guns and dreaming murderous and seditious dreams of waging civil war.

    Btw, it’s rather ironic that the radical redneck movement eschews and reviles any enlightened, redeeming, core Western values that it classifies as “liberal” in the name of being a bulwark for Western civilization against the menace represented to its mentality by “radical Islam”. Well, of course bogeymanifying Muslims and riling themselves up to be mock-defenders of Western civilization is merely how alt-right folks masturbate their hate; i.e., to put it crudely, it’s how they politically and emotionally get off, but is productive of nothing other than more hate and, eventually, violence.
     
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    Trump loves himself.. no one else imo

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    And to a dangerously narcissistic extreme, which is proving to have socially and politically harmful consequences for our society.
     
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    So far 8 years of Obama has dangerously polarized the country and Hillary plans to be Obama 2.0.
     
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    No, it's the often petty, partisan, resentful, irrationally allergic-to-progressivism, reactionary response of the right to the very idea of a so-called left-leaner (emphasis on so-called, as Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton are merely establishment politicians functioning to serve and preserve our society's capitalist plutocracy, not authentic, enlightened anti-capitalist leftists) in the White House that is politically and psychically polarizing our society.
     
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    Is this language perhaps a tad bit risqué? Well, I’m referring to the misdirected and ugly xenophobic passion of alt-right-leaning types in the Trump camp, and they certainly do use hate speech against hispanics and Muslims to whip it up, so to speak, into a false feeling of manly political potency. Of course the feeling and reality of political impotency that they experience, i.e. disenfranchisement, is inflicted upon them by the plutocratic power structure and elites of our capitalist society, but being unconscientized about this fact deplorables readily fall prey to rightists and racists who preach the scapegoating of immigrants and Middle Easterners.

    And is it rhetorical overkill to say that alt-rightists are dreaming murderous and seditious dreams of civil war? Not really, it's a civil guerrilla war that they seem to dangerously and despicably envision – even the most loony lunatic fringe deplorables seem to realize that their movement isn't going to be able to actually wage a civil conflict resembling the one that was fought from 1861-1865, with large forces of uniformed troops meeting on the field of battle and exchanging artillery fire, territory being captured, and entire cities being burned to the ground, etc. Nevertheless, they indulge in fantasizing out loud about taking human lives to create a society based upon their bigotry. How lovely.)
     
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    Yet they are part of the regressive left that support political correctness to shut down free-speech.
     
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    It takes to to tango. Or in this case, get polarized. You might just as well blame yourself for being so polarized. I certainly do.
     
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    He needs to stop whining like a little beotch. He cries about everything. Aren't his supporters supposed to be "alpha males". They certainly chose a little baby to represent them, haha.
     
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    The reality being they get shot in the face by the state just like any other seriously troublesome faction.
     
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    No one has divided Americans more than Obama (white vs. black, rich vs. poor, etc.).
     
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    I disagree. If one side is sufficiently extremist, unreasoning, and hostile it can cause polarization even if the other side is all sweetness and light.

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    Racism and capitalism account for the instances of divisiveness that you cite, not Mr. Obama (And no, I'm no fan or booster of Mr. Obama, however my disapprobation of him bears no resemblance whatsoever to the hatred that many on the right have in their hearts for him. That is, even though he's merely an establishment politician and a functionary of the ruling class, conservatives hyperbolically contemn and condemn him as a Marxist. As a Marxist who recognizes that Mr. Obama is not at all a fellow commie, I however am a nonfan because he's merely another consenting party to the capitalist status quo.)
     
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    An alpha male is one of those men who most women find undesirable. But the guy fights back by pretending he matters..

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    Is it Obama that has divided the country or is it the hatred from the right that is the primary thing that divides the country?
     
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    no, whinny republicans losers in congress have dangerously polarized the country, republicans lost after Bush, yet they refused to work with Obama

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    I do not at all think that it is Trump's ego that furthers the polarization. I think just the opposite. The Republicans, well at least the responsible ones, have seen the destruction to their own party flirting with the silly underclass and are, I'm sure, looking to change things. Trump has caused the likes of Paul Ryan to come to his senses. Even little Charlie Krauthammer is starting to sound reasonable. It took Donald Trump for responsible Republicans to wake up and see how they have let the loons have way too much leeway in their party.
     
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    Perhaps they've come to their senses a bit too tardily.
     
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    Republicans are such sore losers. It comes from them not seeing their opponents as they really are. If Obama and all the other Democrats were as bad as the Republican pretend world imagines they are I wouldn't support them either. But, as usual, the Republican pretend world doesn't square with reality.

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    I never said they weren't a little on the slow side.
     
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    That's it in a nutshell.

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    Ditto.
     
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    Just like Obama, you blame everyone else.
     
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    The only things truly polarizing American politics are the refusal of a lawless Administration full of grafty cronies to enforce the laws, the refusal of the press to cover actual political issues and to report fairly and objectively, and the refusal of the denizens of the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex to just fess up that they are going to vote for the worst, most blatantly corrupt, most unaccomplished, most incompetent presidential candidate in the country's history out of pure, unalloyed self-interest.
     
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    do nothing republicans are to blame for their actions, just like other republicans you do not think Congressional republicans are responsible for their own actions
     
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    Nope. That's as untrue as the opposing silly view of The Donald vs The Establishment that you were bashing. And Hillary only makes noise to attack the wealthy in order to curry favor among her voting base..
     
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    This is off topic, but do you realize that you copy your hero's lingo? He would have just added two "ever" to it.

    I've noticed this with a few other Trump fans on here as well, that they use the exact hyperbole speech that Trump uses. I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    Note in edit: This hyperbolic lingo Trump uses has actually exactly that purpose: To polarize. That's why he is the best ever or "the ONLY ONE who can fix it", while everyone else is the worst ever, in all history of mankind...ever....."trust me".
     

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