Dossier fails the test of time; Trump-Russia collusion claims now called 'likely false'

police state mentality

 

Nope, just a mentality that accomplices after the fact need to be stopped.

 

The “government” did follow the law, thats how they got the warrant.

The right in this country seems to have a very short memory, or they are living in blissful ignorance of their own recent history.

FISA was STRENGTHENED by the right with the Patriot Act. You know, the same patriot act that the left said was “overreaching”. The right wanted this so bad that they turned a very blind eye to even its updates during the Bush administration. I’ll bet very few of you even remember, or will admit you supported the updates that allowed GWB retroactive immunity for the phone companies, and his administration for any wrongdoing during his presidency. So please stop with the FAUX outrage that some “government conspiracy” is ongoing.

Now that is NOT to say that anything illegal took place, or that it was used illegally. You have not, and can not prove that and you know it. It’s just more rightwinglandia distraction from real facts. Everytime the right doesnt like something the government does, you all start screaming “THE GUBMENT BAD...” while blissfully forgetting that when it served your own purposes you actually strengthened their very position.

 

Actually, they're a fully functional political propoganda ecosystem.
And it's one that is relatively to manipulate, as long as the players stick to a selection of stock themes and memes. Stock themes include promoting fear or foreigners in general and anyone Hispanic in particular, picturing black people as lazy, criminal and depent, workers in factories are greedy, as are their unions (while simultaneously implying that trade wars will bring back high pay low skill factory work), variations on xenophobia and isolationism,and a whole host of stereotypes.

And it is constantly being fed by opportunists who understand the game and its rules.

It is a game too. The target audience does not care about being informed, or being told the truth. They will fall for a con man, or a cheap celebrity. The only rule is the never tell this audience something it doesn't want hear.

The meme here is a good example, even though it's a recycle of an earlier right wing theme. The event was real.

But an even better example is the con man who started the GoFundMe site to allegedly pay for the wall.

This couple has been trying various ways to get on the right wing noise gravy train for some time.

All you have to do is buy a WordPress site for anywhere between $8 and $25 a month. Then spend your days on various right wing trash blogs and 4chan, and just regurgitate the bits that you think will attract attention on your blog. Promote it through your own right wing friends on your FB and other social media accounts and start building a mailing list.

Wordpress is paying you from the clickbait traffic your site generates.

Once you've got a fair sized mailing list, you can sell it to operations like Daily Caller, Breitbart, Work Net Daily etc, or to a direct and electronic mail fundraisng scammer.

Or you can create fake FB accounts and fill them with posts referencing other right wing trash blogs in order to attract like minded people (and harvest their contact information).

The couple running the scam GoFundMe site for Trump's wall did this. They were doing fine with it, until FB decided to flush a lot of these operators because they had been embarrassed by the fact that Russian troll farms were doing the same thing.

 

You made the claim. Now you can provide examples. Otherwise, your response is just something you made up, which is already obvious.

 

There simply is no there there when it comes to the Dossier. Now that we know this is "likely false" and planted by the Clinton campaign and Obama admin to undermine the election results, can we call the Mueller investigation what it is? A hoax

 

The part of the government that applied for the FISA also misrepresented its case to the other part of the government, the FISA court.

I am neither right nor left, or perhaps BOTH right and left. I'm independent, so for me the issues with the FISA deal are not partisan, they are how various parts of the government interacted, one part misleading the other part.

 

I await your rebuttal, self serving simple dismissals do not.

 

What of any importance has been confirmed?

 

Did the confirm the evidence in the dossier before they submitted it to the court?

 

NOBODY is going to rehash the FISA court use of the Steele Dossier with you anymore...

 

Funny, while or resident Lefties deploy the old Shoot the Messenger fallacy against the Washington Times they conveniently overlook the inconvenient fact that Michael Isikoff is a Lefty who has worked with Leftist publications, such as the loon Left Yahoo News, his entire career. Not only that, Wikileaks outed Isikoff as one of the Democrats' errand boys when he was working with Democratic consultant Alexandra Chalupa in 2016:

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/3962

I guess these weak and desperate deflections are what one would expect from the progs whose tinfoil ushankas are being crumpled by the very people in the LW MSM who fed them the "Russia Collusion" conspiracy theory that the Left has been desperately clinging to for the past two years....

 

Bluesguy said: ↑
Did the confirm the evidence in the dossier before they submitted it to the court?

Only those on the left who don't want to admit the truth. They didn't as is required.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/18/steele-dossier-michael-isikoff/2347833002/

"But he said when "you actually get into the details of the Steele dossier, the specific allegations, we have not seen the evidence to support them, and, in fact, there's good grounds to think that some of the more sensational allegations will never be proven and are likely false."

 

You don't need to confirm anything - evidence, sources, funding - when you're launching an "investigation" akin to those launched by the guy on the right and his Insurance Agent/Cleaner Livrentiy Beria, at left...

 

When you submit something as "evidence" in order to get a FISA it has to be confirmed evidence. That is how you get reasonable cause, evidence.

 

These articles were written and published for one reason; to support the Fake News narrative of 'Trump is RACIST!'.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/us/politics/trump-charlottesville-white-nationalists.html

http://time.com/4902308/white-nationalists-supremacists-donald-trump-charlottesville/

 

Ahhh, the goal posts on big wheels. Let's wait to lay judgement once Mueller's investigations have concluded and then spitball. I made that post because the OP post was simply incorrect in it's assertions.

 

It's your claim it has been mostly confirmed yet you can list anything of any importance that has been confirmed. Oh it says someone worked for the Trump campaign and that is true OH SEE THE DOSSIER IS TRUE. What of the allegations that amount to Russian collusion with the Trump campaign have been confirmed? Burden of proof is on the accuser making the accusations.

 

We do not know that they mislead FISA. Thats beyond right wing spin. And I, like you am probably both “right and left”, and the one thing I do know is that the FISA warrant is classified so their is no way for the right to know and claim it was falsely represented.

 

1. Thats not how the process works to get ANY warrant

2. You don’t even know how the dossier was represented to get the warrant

3. You don’t know if they DID corroborate the evidence forwarded by the dossier.

See how easy this is.

 

Only a left wing lying rag like Washington Post or the NY Slimes would find the dossier to be true.

I can do that too. Yet you offer NO PROOF.

 

Oh my rhetoric is proof to you?

 

A Canadian company owned by Putin's Russians.

Reading is fundamental.

 

Lawfareblog? Sounds like a left wing noise machine to me. Get us something from a real news source and we'll discuss it.