Dossier fails the test of time; Trump-Russia collusion claims now called 'likely false'

And when you have lost declare victory.......how pitiful.

 

Facts are facts. The FISA warrant is firm, there will be overturn of it, so, yes, it is victory.

 

That not the burden of proof, that if one inconsequential statement in it is true then all must be true. The burden of proof is on those claiming its veracity and on the key points. Which parts on any consequence to the alleged Russian collusion were verified before being presented to the FISA court? What crimes have been charged based on the dossier?

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Dossier's 10 core collusion accusations remain unverified 20 months later

• The Trump campaign launched an “extensive conspiracy” with the Kremlin to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. To date, no public verification.

• Mr. Trump, for decades a developer of tall buildings, maintained an eight-year relationship of give-and-take with Russian intelligence. To date, no public verification.

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• Mr. Trump and senior campaign aides actively supported the Russia hacking of Democratic Party computers to steal and release stolen emails. To date, no public verification.

• Volunteer Carter Page and campaign manager Paul Manafort personally conspired with Moscow to hack the Democrats’ computers. When the hacking began in 2015, neither man was associated with the Trump campaign. Both deny the charge. Mr. Page testified under oath that he had never met or spoken with Mr. Manafort. To date, no public verification of this dossier part.

• Mr. Page, an Annapolis graduate, an energy investor and a former resident of Moscow, traveled to that city in early July 2016 to deliver a public speech at a university. The dossier says he met with two top Kremlin operatives and discussed bribes for working to lift economic sanctions. Mr. Page testified under oath that he had never met nor spoke with them. He has filed libel lawsuits.

• Mr. Trump engaged with Russian prostitutes during a trip to Moscow in 2013. Mr. Trump has denied this numerous times. To date, no public verification.

• Mr. Trump’s personal attorney, Michael Cohen, secretly traveled to Prague in August 2016. His supposed mission: to orchestrate payments with agents of Vladimir Putin to cover up the hacking. At that point, the hacking was known worldwide. Mr. Cohen repeatedly has denied under oath that he took such a trip and showed his passport. He has filed libel lawsuits, including against Fusion GPS. Fusion co-founder Glenn Simpson, who ordered the dossier, has suggested that Mr. Cohen took a private Russian plane and might have been on a yacht in the Adriatic Sea. To date, there has been no public verification of any of this.

• Russian tech entrepreneur Aleksej Gubarev, owner of XBT Holding, hacked the Democrat Party computers with spyware and pornography. He has denied this repeatedly. He sued Mr. Steele for libel in a London court, where the former spy said the information was raw call-in information and not verified.

• Three Russian oligarchs and shareholders in Alfa Bank were involved in Russian election interference and paid bribes to Mr. Putin. They deny the charges and have filed libel lawsuits.

• Mikhail Kalugin was chief of the economic section at the Russian Embassy in Washington. Mr. Steele accuses him of being a spy and of funding the hacking with skimmed-off pension funds. He was supposedly whisked out of Washington when the hacking scandal broke in August. Washington associates of Mr. Kalugin told The Washington Times that the diplomat announced his planned departure 10 months beforehand. He and his family returned to Moscow. He now works in the Foreign Ministry. A former senior U.S. government official told The Times that Mr. Kalugin was never internally identified as a spy.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/12/trump-dossiers-10-core-collusion-accusations-unver/

 

As I said.

 

Bucky's comment above is false about "spying". That was disproved long ago.

 

Facts are facts. The FISA warrant is firm, there will be no overturn of it, so, yes, it is victory.

 

How so? It's not a win when a corrupt Govt official can hide facts and evidence from a Judge in order to spy on other Americans. In fact, it's a dark chapter in American history. We need to ensure those sort of corrupt Admins are never back in power.

Moreover....what's the win? Carter Page isn't and wasn't a spy...he was simply an American...a victim of a corrupt Admin

 

LOL.. I love how you keep equating Strzok and Page with the Steele Dossier.... Cracks me up...

 

You are correct... there was no win with the FISA warrant, with what we know today.

A very suspect FORMER Trump campaign member was surveilled and nothing was apparently found. Doesn't make the warrant suspect, as not all warrants produce results.

The only loss was the desperation shown by the Trump administration in releasing the redacted warrant and showing absolutely nothing in the process... You cannot unring that bell...

 

Only facts and logic count. So, yes, it is a win for DOJ and FBI until and if it can be overturned, which won't ever happen.

 

I guess in the sense they were able to fool a judge into giving them a FISA warrant...they "won" - but the American people and liberty suffered because a corrupt admin fooled a FISA Court. They certainly haven't been able to use it to make a case against Mr. Page...so it begs the question what was the purpose of the warrant?

 

What do you mean "equating" and why did you leave out Ohr ( and his wife of course) and McCabe and Comey?

 

What in it is firm and be specific.

 

What overturned?

 

The anti-dossier folkis have to provide the conclusive facts, and they have not done that.

 

It's up to you to prove it true.

 

I guess you answered my question. You've been sold a talk radio myth, and no matter how many hearings occurr that turn up nothing, you're going to right on believing it. The meme doesn't even make sense. The "dossier" was NEVER the center of the investigation, but a document that corroborated a lot of things the intelligence community (both inside, and outside the US) had already noticed.

You probably still believe in birtherism, and the plot to kill Vince Foster. I bet you fell for the Comet Pizza hoax too.

 

The FISA judges accept the dossier where used. That anyone disagrees does not matter.

The who disagree believe in birtherism, and the Pizza child abuse hoax. What stupids.

 

Just as I thought you won't take responsibility for your own post. I asked you on post 113 to provide proof for your post

So instead of doing that you imitate me and ask for me to show proof. How precious. . You wrote the post but you wont stand by it. You don't have a shred of evidence that the entire Seele Dossier is garbage which you asserted.

 

What facts, how do you prove something is not true? That's logical fallacy. The burden is on you to prove it IS true. What's your proof. I say unicorns exist, you say they don't, whose burden is it to prove it?

 

The burden of proof is on the accuser and those who defend the accusation. You can't prove a negative Logic 101, prove has to be provide from the accuser. Where is the proof the dossier is 100% accurate?

 

It ain't over till it's over - Yogi Berra

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/30/michael-steeles-russia-dossier-donald-trump-fails-/

Do you want me to read it to you too?

 

Nonsense. You take something in the FISA judgement that was not based on the facts, and prove it.