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    AGAIN TO REPLY TO YOUR "CLASS 3" STATEMENT. QUOTE:a select fire (that is the correct term FYI) rifle can also fire in regular semi auto mode.
    Adfundum said:
    The poster seems to not understand what you posted--seems more interested in posting clickbait. Not worth the time.
    ANOTHER DEFFINITION:
    Examples include but are not limited to:

    • A Model 16 (M16) Rifle
    • A registered drop-in auto-sear (RDIAS) for an AR-15 platform lower receiver
    DO YOU SEE THE ONLY WAY A AR-15 CAN BE CLASSIFIED AS A CLASS 3 FIREARM IS WITH A (REGISTERED DROP-IN-AUTO- SEAR!) THAT MAKES IT FIRE FULL AUTO. AND CIVILIAN AR-15 ARE NOT SOLED WITH THAT OPTION.

    A CLASS 3 RIFLE ---HAS---TO --HAVE--A (REGISTERED DROP-IN-AUTO- SEAR!) A SEMI-AUTO RIFLE IS ---NOT---CLASSIFIED AS A CLASS 3 RIFLE. A SEMI-AUTO CAN NOT FIRE MORE THAN ONE ROUND PER TRIGGER PULL. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? MANY RIFLES HAVE A SLECT FIRE SELECTOR THAT ONLY HAS ---SAFE---AND FIRE!! NO FULL AUTO! SO YOUR STATEMENT QUOTE: .a select fire (that is the correct term FYI) rifle can also fire in regular semi auto mode. DOES NOT MAKE A SEMI-AUTO A CLASS 3 FIREARM. IT MUST HAVE THE ----FULL AUTO SETTING. DID YOU SEE MY SOURCE FROM THE FED GOVERNMENT QUOTE: A registered drop-in auto-sear (RDIAS) for an AR-15 platform lower receiver? WHAT IS SO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND PLAIN ENGLISH ? AND YES I HAVE A REASON FOR CAPS. WHICH IS GETTING OFF THE SUBHECT. :evil:
     
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    You are arguing a pack of strawmen because a meme flew over your head. And no, the Fed did not "ban" full autos in the 30's.
    I'm not the un informed one, here.

    You are welcome I informed you on class 3 arms and the NFA

    Now post another batch of strawmen and act like I actually made any such claims. You liberal, progressive.

    A select fire rifle has 3 switch positions, single shot, 3 round burst and full auto. Guess what the single shot mode is called?

    And quit butchering the damn quote function.
    This is something I already knew, I post a basic source, for your (and other liberals) benefit.
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    The SIG 550 has four modes: safe (At which the rifle cannot be fired) (S), one round (1), three-round burst (3) and full automatic (obscured by the switch lever).
    Selective fire means the capability of a weapon to be adjusted to fire in semi-automatic, burst mode, and/or fully automatic firing mode.[1] The modes are chosen by means of a selector which varies depending on the weapon's design. Some selective-fire weapons have burst fire mechanisms to limit the maximum number of shots fired automatically in this mode. The most common limits are two or three rounds per trigger pull. Fully automatic fire refers to the ability for a weapon to fire continuously until either the feeding mechanism is emptied or the trigger is released. Semi-automatic refers to the ability to fire one round per trigger pull.

    The presence of selective fire modes on firearms permits more efficient use of rounds to be fired for specific needs, versus having a single mode of operation, such as fully automatic, thereby conserving ammunition while maximizing on-target accuracy and effectiveness. This capability is most commonly found on military weapons of the 20th and 21st centuries.
     
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    OK, HERE WE GO AGAIN. FROM THE FFA LAW QUOTE: The pre-1986 machine guns may be sold only by a FFL/SOT and must be registered with the ATF. Easy peasy, right? Not really. The process of registering a NFA item with the ATF is costly, invasive, and time-consuming. Federal law requires extensive background checks of anyone wishing to own a NFA item such as a machine gun. If you wanted to purchase a machine gun today, it would take close to a year, and you would be required to submit fingerprints and a photo to accompany your background check. Each NFA item also requires its own tax stamp, which costs $200. FYI. NOT ONE CLASS III FIREARM WAS USED IN ANY OF THE MASS SHOOTINGS!! CRAZIES, AND KILLERS DON'T DO BACKGROUND CHECKS, FINGERPRINTS, WAIT A YEAR, & WITH A PHOTO ON FILE WITH THE ATF & PAY $200 & BE REGESTERED WITH THE ATF. PLEASE NAME ONE MASS SHOOTING WHERE THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN DON'T BY THE KILLER. YOU CAN'T BECAUSE NONE DID. THEY ALL USED LEGAL CIVILIAN SEMI-AUTO'S. :evil:
     
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    OK LETS LOOK AT YOUR SIG 550. THIS IS A MILITARY ASSAULT RIFLE---NOT SOLD TO THE PUBLIC IN THE U.S. OR ANY WHERE ELSE. QUOTE: Development of the SIG SG 550 assault rifle commenced in the late 1970s. Its prototype was based on the previous SG 540 design. In 1984 its designation was changed to the SG 550. Its production commenced in 1986. The SIG SG 550 was officially adopted by the Swiss army in 1990 as the Stgw.90. It replaced the ageing SIG 510 (Stgw.57) automatic rifle. Swiss army took the last deliveries of the Stgw.90 in the mid 1990s, however these weapons are still manufactured for export customers. Over 600 000 of these assault rifles were produced. Currently it is a standard Swiss military rifle. The SG 550 is in service with more than 20 operators worldwide. These are usually used by elite and special forces units. NOW BEFORE YOU GO BONKERS: THE QUOTE: however these weapons are still manufactured for export customers. DOES NOT MEAN THE PUBLIC AT LARGE!!! IT MEANS TO MILITARY FORCES OF DIFFERENT NATIONS. QUOTE: The SG 550 is in service with more than 20 operators worldwide. These are usually used by elite and special forces units. YEAH YOU REALLY SHOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH FLOOBS LIKE THIS. :evil:
     
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    OK, TECNICALILY YOU ARE CORRECT. BUT THE FEDERAL LAW IS QUOTE: Federal law requires extensive background checks of anyone wishing to own a NFA item such as a machine gun. If you wanted to purchase a machine gun today, it would take close to a year, and you would be required to submit fingerprints and a photo to accompany your background check. Each NFA item also requires its own tax stamp, which costs $200. Once the ATF decides that an individual is permitted by law to own a NFA item, it adds that individual’s name, address, and biographical information to a federal gun registry and matches it to the serial number of the licensed NFA item. This goes for every item listed in the NFA, not just machine guns. Individuals with NFA items are then required to notify the ATF when they move and any time they plan to travel outside their state of residence with the NFA item.

    NOW CAN YOU NAME ANY CRAZY OR MASS KILLER WHO DID ANY OF THAT? YOU CAN'T!!! WHY? BECAUSE NONE HAD A "CLASS III" FIREARM FOR THE MASS SHOOTING. KILLERS & CRAZIES DON'T DO, WAITING A YEAR, SUBMIT FINGERPRINTS, AD A PHOTO TO THE BACKGROUND CHECK, OR PAY $200, AND LETS THE ATF ADD THIER NAME, ADDRESS, AND BIO INFO TO THE FED REGISTRY. DO THEY? AND FYI NOT ONE OF THE MASS SHOOTINGS WAS THERE A "CLASS III" ASSAULT FIREARM USED! NAME ONE IF YOU KNOW OF IT. BUT YOU CAN'T--CAN YOU.

    ALSO I CAN BRING MY SOURCE FORWARD, IF YOU REQUEST. BUT TO BUY A REAL CLASS III ASSAULT RIFLE WOULD COST THE PERSON BETWEEN 4 AND 6 THOUSAND DOLLARS. AND YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE THE LICENCE FROM THE FEDS TO BUY ONE. ANY OF THE MASS SHOOTER DO THAT? NO? PLEASE IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO DEBATE ME, START SHOWING FACTS, NOT LIBERAL HOT AIR. LIKE THE SIG 550 EXAMPLE. :evil: HELL RAISER ENJOYS DEBATING PEOPLE, BUT THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. :evil:
     
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    FAT BACK, YOUR SIG 550 IS (NOT) SOLD TO ANY CIVILIANS IN THE U.S. OR ANY WHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD. THE SIG 550 IS A MILITARY ASSAULT RIFLE USED BY THE SWISS & 20 OTHER NATIONS MILITARY AROUND THE WOLD. PLEASE GET YOUR FACT STRIEGHT BEFORE POSTING NONSENSE LIKE THIS. :evil:
     
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    Quit preaching at me, you are not telling me a single thing I do not know. I showed you an example of select fire, I made no other claims. YOU are the one that needs to get your facts straight, you claim the Gov. "banned" autos in the 30's.
    At least our exchange has corrected that nonsense. You can post some more word salad if you like, i'm done here, by.
     
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    Take your own advice.

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    Selling my well loved SIG 550 build done off a 551-A1 receiver. Parts list is far too long, but if you have questions on the details, you can text or email me at ...
     
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    SORRY FATBACK WRONG AGAIN FROM YOUR SOURCE QUOTE:
    Sig 550 PE90 imported as REAL RIFLE pre-ban RARE
    SG550 Better than excellent FREE SHIP not PE57 AMT THIS IS A PE90 EXPORT RIFLE----NOT THE SIG 550 WITH THE FULL AUTO SETTING. DON'T YOU EVEN READ YOUR OWN SOURCES? THE PE90 IS NOT A MILITARY SIG 550!! IT LOOKS LIKE ONE. LIKE THE AR-15 BUT NEITHER ARE--- THE M-4 OR MILITARY 550 WITH THE FULL AUTO SETTING. YEAH YOU REALLY KNOW ABOUT FIREARMS DON'T YOU? :evil:
     
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    NOW FROM YOUR BUDS GUN SHOP. THEY ONLY SHOW (PARTS) NO SIG 550/PE90. YOU FAILED AGAIN. POOR BOY. AND YOU CLAIM TO KNOW ABOUT FIREARMES? FAILING BIG TIME :evil:
     
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    NOW FATBACK FOR YOUR SOURCE "ARMSLIST" IF YOU HAD READ CAREFULLY YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN THIS QUOTE: Selling my well loved SIG 550 build done off a 551-A1 receiver. DID YOU SEE THE LAST PART OF THAT QUOTE: done off a 551-A1 receiver THAT IS ANOTHER EXPORT VERSON (WITH OUT) THE FULL AUTO SETTING. THERE ARE VERSIONS LISTED AS 551/552/553/PE90'S EXPORTS. ALL WITHOUT FULL AUTO SETTINGS. AND NOT CLASSIFIED AS CLASS III SIG 550'S. CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE YOU SUPPOSEDLY GOT YOUR FIREARMS EDUCATION. IT IS NOT VERY GOOD. :evil:
     
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    How right you were.
     
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    AH! LOOKING FOR A WAY OUT? CAN'T ANSWER MY REPLY'S? NONE OF YOUR SOURCES PAN OUT? PROVE ANY OF MY POST ON THE 550 OR CLASS III FIREARMS WRONG---IF YOU CAN. LOL :evil:
     
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    FATBACK, YOU KEEP POSTING THE SIG 550 IS SOLD TO THE PUBLIC. AND IT ISN'T! I POSTED PROOF FROM YOUR SOURCE. QUOTE: Selling my well loved SIG 550 build done off a 551-A1 receiver. DID YOU SEE THE LAST PART OF THAT QUOTE: done off a 551-A1 receiver THAT IS ANOTHER EXPORT VERSON (WITH OUT) THE FULL AUTO SETTING. THERE ARE VERSIONS LISTED AS 551/552/553/PE90'S EXPORTS. ALL WITHOUT FULL AUTO SETTINGS. AND NOT CLASSIFIED AS CLASS III SIG 550'S. NOW WHERE DID YOU FIND A (REAL) SIG 550 WITH FULL AUTO SOLD TO THE PUBLIC? YOUR TRYING TO SAY IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THAT ALL VERSIONS OF THE SIG LIKE THESE 551/552/553/PE90'S ARE SIG 550'S. AND THEY AREN'T! THEY DON'T HAVE THE FULL AUTO CAPIBILITY. ONLY THE MILITARY 550 HAS THAT. ARE YOU SAYING I'M WRONG? :evil:
     
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    NOW ON THE FED GOV BAN, I POSTED THIS---TECNICALILY YOU ARE CORRECT. BUT THE FEDERAL LAW IS QUOTE: Federal law requires extensive background checks of anyone wishing to own a NFA item such as a machine gun. If you wanted to purchase a machine gun today, it would take close to a year, and you would be required to submit fingerprints and a photo to accompany your background check. Each NFA item also requires its own tax stamp, which costs $200. Once the ATF decides that an individual is permitted by law to own a NFA item, it adds that individual’s name, address, and biographical information to a federal gun registry and matches it to the serial number of the licensed NFA item. This goes for every item listed in the NFA, not just machine guns. Individuals with NFA items are then required to notify the ATF when they move and any time they plan to travel outside their state of residence with the NFA item. NOW CAN YOU SHOW----ANY-----MASS KILLER GOING THROUGH THIS AND USING THAT CLASS III FIREARM IN ANY OF THE MASS SHOOTINGS? I ALSO POSTED THAT THE CLASS III FIREARMS COST THE BUYER BETWEEN 4 & 10 THOUSAND DOLLARS OVER AND ABOVE THE COST YOU PAY TO THE FED GOVERNMENT GOT THAT? ANY OF THE MASS SHOOTERS SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY FOR A CLASS III FIREARM? :evil: I HAVE ANSWERED ALL YOUR QUESTION TIME AND AGAIN. YOU JUST TRY TO SPIN A NEW WAY AROUND WITHOUT ANSWERING MINE! :evil:
     
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    No one needs an assault knife! Do it for the kids!

    assult knife.jpg
    At least you abandoned the falsehood that the Fed "banned" full autos...
     
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    WRONG! WITH ALL THE HOOPS A CIVILIAN HAS TO GO THROUGH AND THE MONEY PUT OUT. ONLY SOMEONE VERY, VERY RICH CAN EVEN COME CLOSE TO GETTING A (REAL) ASSAULT RIFLE. SO TO THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS IT IS A BAN ON THEM BY THE GOVERNMENT :evil: HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU KNOW THAT HAS THE GOVERNMENT OK TO BUY OR OWN A (REAL) ASSAULT RIFLE OR MACHINE GUN?

    AND YOUR STATEMENT QUOTE: No one needs an assault knife! Do it for the kids! DOESN'T SEEM TO WORK WELL IN THE U.K. NOW DOES IT? ANY KNIFE WILL DO! ALMOST DAILY KNIFE ATTACKES HAPPEN IN LONDON OR OTHER CITIES IN THE U.K.. AND----FYI---AS I POSTED BEFORE AND YOU NEVER ANSWERED MY QUESTION. NAME ONE, JUST ONE----MASS KILLING WHERE A (REAL) ASSAULT RIFLE WAS USED. CAN YOU DO THAT? OR WILL IGNORE THAT QUESTION AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T NAME ONE!!! :evil:
     
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    Do I have to spell it out? OK, I'll give it my best try...ready? Listen close...
    My ''assault knife'' meme is a joke, a play on the ''assault rifle'' hysteria.
    Did it work? Did the obvious ''take'' this time?
     
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    Never mind, not expecting any thing more than more silly ass, strawmen claims.
     
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    FATBACK, YOU WERE THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IN THE SIG 550! WHICH IS A MILITARY ASSAULT RIFLE. AND (NOT) SOLD TO THE PUBLIC. ANY OTHER SIG LIKE THE 551/552/553/PE90 ARE (NOT) ASSAULT RIFLES. AND ARE SOLD TO THE PUBLIC. AND YOUR ASSAULT (KNIFE?) IS MORE THAN JUST PLAIN SILLY! AND THE LIBERAL (SO CALLED) ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN OF CIRCA 1994 DID NOTHING TO STOP THE KILLINGS IN THE U.S.. THE KILLERS JUST SWITCHED TO OTHER SEMI-AUTO RIFLES OR PISTOLS. LIBS CAN'T EVEN GET THE CORRECT NAME FOR THE AR-15 OR AK-47 CIVILIAN SEMI-AUTO RIFLES. WHICH ARE NOT CLASS III OR ASSAULT RIFLES. THESE CIVILIAN RIFLES ARE USED FOR TARGET SHOOTING OR HUNTING. BUY VETS ENJOY USING THEM FOR THESE ACTIONS.

    AND WITH THE FEDERAL LAW ON CLASS III FIREARMS, IT IS TECNICALLY A BAN ON THEM. BECAUSE IT TAKES A PERSON WITH LOTS OF MONEY, AND TIME TO WAIT TO JUMP THROUGH THE HOOPS OF THAT LAW AND THEN HAVE THE MONEY TO BUY A REAL CLASS III FIREARM. JUST HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU KNOW WHO OWN A CLASS III FIREARM? THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THAT. SO, IT IS AGAIN TECNICALLY A BAN TO THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS. :evil:
     
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    HELLO!!! THAT WAS MY ENTIRE POINT!

    How is that STILL flying in the stratosphere, over you noggin???
     
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    THEN WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY SO IN PLAIN ENGLISH, INSTEAD OF RUNNING AROUND IN CIRCLES, WITH SILLY PHOTOS? :evil:
     
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    THEN WHY DIDN'T YOU POST THAT IN PLAIN ENGLISH? AND WHY USE "SILLY PHOTOS?" BUT YOU RAN IN CIRCLES, DIDN'T YOU? :evil:
     
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