Dr. Fauci Just Said When COVID Restrictions Will Really Be Gone

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  1. rkhames

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    Dr. Fauci Just Said When COVID Restrictions Will Really Be Gone (yahoo.com)

    So, Dr. Fauci says that the federal government is washing its hands of managing Covid-19. He based that statement on the fact that the numbers of new cases and hospitalization have been falling off over the last few weeks. That might be so, but an evaluation of the numbers doesn’t quite support the timeframe for calling an end of the pandemic. Let me explain, and I am going to use the state that I live in as an example.

    Here in Virginia, the latest update shows that there were 4,736 new cases on February 8th. The Seven Day rolling Average for that day was 5044, and 1661 people received achieved the title “Fully Vaccinated”. (The website that I am quoting does not state which definition of “Fully Vaccinated that they are using. I can only assume that they are reporting this that have either received their Second Pfizer or Moderna, or the first shot of Johnson and Johnson.) The “New Case” stat is good for looking at a case number for an individual days Tuesday through Friday, but it is useless for Saturday through Monday. Most states send the numbers to the CDC in one report broken down by day, but the CDC takes those numbers and adds then together. They enter the combined numbers for the Monday date. So, what I use is the 7-day rolling average. If you click on the word "website" above, it will take to the site I am quoting. You will also need to change the state to Virginia, and click on the "+" next to the “Data Table for Daily Case Trends” section. The rest should already be loaded. But in case it isn't, I am using "Daily cases for the Left Axis, “Fully Vaccinated” for the Right Axis, and ensuring the box next to the "7-Day moving average" is checked. Now we are looking at the same information. On the graph, you will notice three peaks on the Daily Case line. They are January 17, 2021 at 6166 and September 15, 2021 at 3662 and January 12, 2022 at 18,782. The current number of 5044 is well below the 18,782 average of less than a month ago and it is slightly below the previous high of 6,166 from January of last year, but it is still well above the average posted last September 2021. So, why is this current average a sign that this is the end to the pandemic when it is still higher than previous averages? Could this whole thing be nothing more than a political grandstand?

    Let’s look at this from another angle. Less than a year ago, the “science community” was still talking about “Herd Immunity”. You might remember the CDC claiming that herd immunity was achieved around 70% vaccinated. In the state of Virginia, we are currently at 71% fully vaccinated and 85% having received the first dose. So, why are we still averaging 5044 new cases? Was "Herd Immunity a real thing, or was it just a tactic to get people to get vaccinated?

    Then we get to the question: Do masks and vaccine really work? Or does it work enough? I have studied several states as it relates to the date they issued their mask mandates, and what followed. In every case, masks did nothing to stop future peaks. Yes, mask mandates were relaxed in most states (and I cannot speak on what you might or might not have noticed in your own area), but in the areas that I live in, most people kept wearing masks even after the restrictions were relaxed. Back during the September 2021 surge, the Governor did not issue a new mandate. It left it up to individuals to decide. Yet, people still wore masks in public places, and on public transportation. Even though the footprints have been removed from the floors, people still social distanced. Yet, the peaks happened none the less. My analysis has led me to believe that mask really do not do much.

    The vaccine is another thing. I have had all three Pfizer Vaccine shots. My wife, on the other hand, has only received the first Pfizer shot. Last month, she tested positive for the virus. We share a room at a nursing facility. We were both quarantined for 30 days. She never became symptomatic, and I never tested positive. It is my statement that the Pfizer vaccine works. But it is being falsely portrayed by the federal government and by the media. The vaccine might provide you some resistance from catching the virus, but it is not 100% effective in that regards. Its main effectiveness is mitigating the symptoms if you do catch the virus. It does not matter if the person next to you is, or is not, vaccinated. You are not more at risk either way. While the vaccine (at least I can vouch for Pfizer) is somewhat effective, Mandates are totally not necessary.

    What the government should be doing is recommending masks and vaccines but get rid of all mandates. Go back to people being responsible for themselves. If you follow the science, you will see that mandates are not necessary.
     
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    They will get rid of masks and mandates before the midterm elections, as they have already started doing in a few Democrat states. They know they don't stand a chance in hell of winning any seats if there are still mask and vaccine mandates by the midterms. So much for following "the science"...
     
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    I think we need to keep the mandates up. We’re going to end up in another situation where it keeps flaring up and the mandates are going back into place. At the very least keep the mask mandates.
     
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    We haven't been wearing masks around here for over a year. If people were getting any value from them, they would be wearing them. Let people make their own decisions, they will figure out what is in their best interest. Have government make decisions for them and you get whatever is in government's best interest.
     
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    Sounds great except for the people that have passed away or have permanent damage.
     
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    You can always continue chasing the impossible goal of avoiding every infection. Perhaps living life with a little risk isn't so bad.
     
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    This whole damned situation was used for submission . Just look at how happy certain people were to be able to close down private business and for many get them into bankruptcy.
     
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    Remove the mandates for all civilians, people that have immunodeficiencies please protect yourself and your families either through vaccination or quarantines, let nature run its course on the rest of them.

    It will be better in the long run
     
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    You are always free to wear one mandate or not.
     
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    Until of course you realize that’s just really dumb and selfish. I mean does that even sound like the start of good policy making? You’re also free to murder whether it’s illegal or not, and cops don’t have to chase you down, regardless of the law or not. Gosh this is so stupid why is this even a starting point for policy talks? I can’t even think of how anyone can reasonably rationalize the “well you can do it yourself and others can do what they want” health policy argument.
     
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    What you eat and your exercise habits are FAR more important to your health and your impact on other’s health than wearing a mask. Do you advocate for mandating or coercing dietary and exercise behavior?
     
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    Apply some common sense and you will understand. Masks don't work. The science no longer supports mask wearing. The current strains of the virus are less harmful than influenza. We take the flu with a shrug and we continue the hysteria surrounding covid. Your position is the dumb and selfish one.
     
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    He advocates for anything government does even when it misbehaves.
     
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    And, lowering stress loads. Eustress (good stress) is fine. Bad stress...not so much. Add lowering toxic stress. Diet, exercise, stress management.
     
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    Masks are useless. So of course you support fascist mandates to force people to use them.

    https://www.aier.org/article/medical-journal-warns-about-maskss-potentially-devastating-consequences/#:~:text=The data suggest that both medical and non-medical,to have substantial adverse physiological and psychological effects.

    https://sorendreier.com/list-of-30-studies-showing-face-masks-are-useless-against-covid-19/

     
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    They are addicted to lockdowns and mandates like addicts are addicted to meth or heroin.

    Democrat science is:



    https://sorendreier.com/list-of-30-studies-showing-face-masks-are-useless-against-covid-19/
     
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    Covid was like crack to them. They loved it and got off on the power. Hell it did get Biden elected.
     
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    Project much?
     
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    Say that to the literal millions of people dead worldwide from COVID. You can say whatever you want to say on this but the facts don’t change. COVID kills around 1% of everyone it infects. The common cold kills around .1% That’s a factor of 10 btw. We know masks work at keeping the virus at bay, along with vaccinations. You can deny basic science all you want but my hope is to keep people alive.
     
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    Absolutely. Stress is one of the most overlooked negative health metrics there is. Good call.
     
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    Not one bit.
     
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    Yeah it is called gain of function exactly the goal of China in bioengineering that bio weapon.
     
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    Thanks, that was great. You know people go to comedy clubs and make good money doing that..
     

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