Dr Wood's claim that 80% of the steel from the towers was turned to dust.

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  1. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since you hate it when people avoid questions I'm sure you'll be glad to answer this simple one.

    Why do you think steel sparks when struck by flint?

    Answer that question, and you'll have the answer to why Koko's videos do not destroy my issue with Dr Wood's premise.
     
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    I'm sorry, but is their flint in the WTC?
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's not an answer to a question. The question is, why does steel spark when struck by flint? The answer to this question answers your question about Koko's videos.
     
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    Don't see how unless their was flint used in constructing the WTC.
     
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    Don't see how unless their was flint used in constructing the WTC.
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Think in terms of the properties of steel, not in terms of the properties of flint. Flint is not required for steel to spark, it is simply an example. Consider it me dumbing this down for you with something you would recognize from your own experience.

    Why does steel spark?
     
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    Friction creates heat.
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Steel does not spark because of friction.
     
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    Really?

    Hmm, then why does it require so much force to get steel to spark without flint?
     
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    Haha yes, why does it?
     
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    The spark is caused by a very small piece of the steel being chipped off. Now this tiny piece has a larger surface area to mass ratio. The tiny piece begins to rust/oxidize fast and give off heat. It gets so hot it begins to glow red. That is your spark. It's not the stone that sparks, but the iron.
     
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    right you are!

    In fact you want steel that is at least 60 rockwell for reasonably good performance as a sparker.

    it is the friction that creates the heat and a nano fine sliver of steel that actually burns as a result of the friction and of course oxygen since oxygen is part of the combustion process.

    NOT steel + oxygen = fire

    I tried to explain it to him but he does not listen, just keeps using his one shoe fits everything theory.

    yet he dodges every one of my posts showing the DUST and the reality of the steel that literally evaporated before our eyes.

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    the wedge!

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    hell I can do this all day!

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    the steel is gone, we saw it turn to dust!


    debunkers shot themselves in the foot a long time ago on this one LOL

    Now they have no where to run no port in this storm! LOL

    Oh where oh where did the steel go?

    DUST OR RUST?
     
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    BULL(*)(*)(*)(*)!

    it works in a totally dry as in no humidity environment.

    That means IT CANT RUST!

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    No large amount of force is required for steel to spark. No heat from friction is required for steel to spark. If steel is finely divided in a vacuum and then later exposed to oxygen the iron within the steel will ignite at room temperature.
     
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    Wrong! But aside from that;

    So the WTC was in a vaccuum huh?

    This just get better every second!


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    This is because the harder the steel is, the more brittle it is. Softer steel does not generate small enough chips fast enough.

    Of course, if you have some kinda imaginary space beam that instantly turns an annealed piece of steel into dust, the hardness doesn't matter. It's instant small chips with lots of surface area just dying to combust with oxygen.
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's what I have to conclude you believe because none of the instantly turned to dust steel reacted with any of the oxygen in the environment. The space beam must have sucked up all the oxygen too. Or was it the hurricane that did that?
     
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    The only thing that is (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up is your understanding of the process.

    Do some homework.
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right. Because science is best understood by making assumptions about poorly cropped animated GIF images. If only Einstein had access to Youtube. Imagine the advancements he'd have been able to make.
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrophoricity


    A pyrophoric substance (from Greek πυροφορος, purophoros, "fire-bearing") is a substance that will ignite spontaneously in air (cf. hypergolic).[1] Examples are iron sulfide and many reactive metals including uranium, when powdered or thinly sliced. Pyrophoric materials are often water-reactive as well and will ignite when they contact water or humid air. They can be handled safely in atmospheres of argon or (with a few exceptions) nitrogen. Most pyrophoric fires should be extinguished with a Class D fire extinguisher for burning metals.

    The creation of sparks from metals is based on the pyrophoricity of small metal particles, and pyrophoric alloys are made for this purpose.[2] This has certain uses: the sparking mechanisms in lighters and various toys, using ferrocerium; starting fires without matches, using a firesteel; the flintlock mechanism in firearms; and spark-testing ferrous metals.

    Pyrophoric materials

    Alkylated metal alkoxides or nonmetal halides (diethylethoxyaluminium, dichloro(methyl)silane)
    Alkali metals (lithium, sodium, potassium, rubidium, caesium) (Including the alloy NaK)
    Copper fuel cell catalysts, e.g., Cu/ZnO/Al2O3[3]
    Grignard reagents (compounds of the form RMgX)
    Finely divided metals (iron,[4] aluminium,[4] magnesium,[4] calcium, zirconium, uranium, titanium, bismuth, hafnium, thorium, osmium)
     
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    I have very little good to say for theoretical physicists, specially that (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*), but thats another thread.

    so you take it to the next level and make assumptions about science. fine if you like wearing a red face.

    you know they have one foot in the losers circle when they whine about the pictures! LOL


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    I can post rebuttal pics all day pal!

    See and patriot said it cant be done!

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    So where did the Sulfide come from?

    How is iron by itself acting like a Alkali metal?

    Where is the extra electron coming from?
     
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    See thats what happens when an armchair phycist gets a hold of a dictionary.

    I told you, do some homework.


    meantime what could possibly do this to steel?

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    Do you even have a vague idea what that is?

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    whats with the wierd coloration?

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    since the wtc had asbestos that nist had to use a shotgun to try and shoot off with only marginal success why is it that even though it is so hard to get off that there is so little asbestos on any of that iron?
     
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    Uhm, holston just told me that all the relevant pictures and evidence of the steel was destroyed and sent to china. How do you have pictures of it?
     
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