Drugs,Good Bad And Ugly

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  1. Guess Who

    Guess Who Well-Known Member

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    I never liked drugs far as being high except alcohol sometimes. Most of my associates did smoke a little pot and once I realized I was getting stoned in the car on the way to party with them all windows were rolled down or I didn't go.
    We'd get to the place and all of a sudden I was real hungry and laughing at stupid things that weren't funny.
    I'm an old woman who so far don't take any prescription meds just aspirin sometimes and very seldom Benedryle for sinus.
    I would take drugs if I had to but so far I'm lucky.
    What do yall think?
     
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    I have a couple grown grandkids who are on drugs and it is very heartbreaking to see what it does to them, but 2 out of 11 now a days I guess ain't bad.
    Should drugs be legalized?
     
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    Yes because we should not be deciding what people put into their own bodies. Personal freedom sucks for some people but is a boon for most others. Also we should not be putting drug addicts in prison they should be going into rehab.

    Legalize it, tax it, and regulate the industry. That will remove the violence at least and provide the money for rehabilitation.
     
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    Can't blame bad parents all the time fro actions of their kids but I do think it has influence on some more so than others. My granddaughter had good grades, a strong family and never wanted for anything.
    Yet now she will be in prison till she is an old woman, 30 years for armed robbery. The prison she is in 3 women have died has already from lack of basic medical care, the foreign doctor from Haiti only had one semester in med school!!
    Prisons for profit make hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars a year.
    But we also have to look at the environment these kids have in schools and peer pressures.
    Liberalism kills and destroys every nation it invades. The biggest enemy of liberalism is the family. I remember even when equal rights was being fought black parents raised decent hard working kids as did whites. I never even heard of drugs till the hippy hit the streets. Never knew anyone taking drugs till I was in my 20s.
    All of a sudden the women had kids without husbands ,fathers were never there and divorce was common.
    A church on every corner instead of a mosque. Black families proudly walking into church all dressed up with their fathers and mothers. MLK was on TV and I was at his funeral procession watching the mule drawn buggy going down Ashby Street in Atlanta [ my hometown]. There by accident because road black was at end of street so I had a front row seat so to speak. He preached non violence. He wasn't perfect but he died for his cause.
    Look what they have done to that freedom! Turned to drugs, violence and illicit sex and left their young with single black mothers while they marry white women especially the rich blacks. So who is the racist if a black man leaves his own to take care of another?
    I agree with Ali aka Cassius Clay. I want my kids to look like me.


     
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    Ayuh,.... I agree with crawdadr,.... 1 of the worst drugs is completely legal,....
    1 of least harmful, is demonized to the level of the absolutely most harmful drugs out there,....
    The last 100 years of the governments policy on drugs makes absolutely no sense at all,....
     
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    What about the pushers? How about send them all back and put military on BOTH our borders instead of policing the worlds borders. Gather up cartels and ship them 500 miles down into theri nation.
     
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    Pusher thrive because people cant get their products anywhere else. A majority of people would buy their drugs from licensed businesses because they would know it is safe, available, and legal. You see very few bootleggers nowadays for a reason.
     
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    I hear too that pot has medical qualities and cures for many things yet they make it against the law. I don't smoke pot or know anyone now who does,we are all old,lol. But once corporations get to grow it to sale it will not be pot anymore it will be GMO product that will bring in most profit.
     
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    This too is true. But hard drugs will be just as dangerous. Look at the opiate epidemic killing more people now than street drugs.
    Once the PTB can make money it always become more dangerous and over sold.
     
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    There is nothing worse than getting a crappy (stepped on) batch of coke from somebody who has been previously reliable.

    Put me in the camp of legalize it and tax it. :salute:
     
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    Slap a warning on the packet and move on. It is not the business of the government to regulate what you knowingly choose to put in your body. Now your action after ingestion can be an issue and one that can be delt with.
     
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    I have mixed feelings on this. I had a friend from Thailand and she told me about how much damage drugs did to her family when they were legal or not unlawful. Said her parents rocked themselves to death on opiates.
    Many nations were destroyed by drugs. China was flooded with them by the west and it took it down from a nation of progress and invention to a third world, took years to come back to where they are today.
    Drugs kill as does alcohol but it takes more alcohol than drugs to OD on.
     
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    The pendulum never seems to stop half-way.

    Now that you say there's an "opiate epidemic" underway, most Dr.s are afraid to prescribe narcotic pain killers for people with legitimate chronic pain issues so patients with legitimate chronic pain are forced to go to costly "Pain Management" Centers & those who can't afford them are forced to do without.
    Who knows how many suicide cases involve people who just didn't chose to deal with a life of chronic pain & concurrent depression.
    I suspect that there are as many pain related suicides as there are overdose cases from the opiate epidemic.
    Therefore, I'm for making narcotic pain killers available w/o a prescription.
    Pharmacists are excellent as far as providing information & guidance to those that want it.
     
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    I agree with this on one condition. The only way a person that is addicted to drugs to the point of not being able to hold down a job and needs rehab, to get food and shelter is through the taxing of said drugs. None of my taxes should go to their fund.

    I'm all for legalizing and taxing it, but if like you said "we should not be deciding what people put into their own bodies", we should also not be paying their way while they do it. I'm responsible for me and they are responsible for themselves. I know this sounds harsh, but it is what it is.
     
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    Chronic pain is hell and life in pain is not much of a life, I agree. But life with pain and withdrawals is not good either. It takes more and more as you get immune to it.Until your not only in pain but pain is more intense because of withdrawals too.
    I think there is no simple solution.I have a friend who addicted to pain meds. She can't get enough of it from doctors because if she keeps increasing her doesage it will kill her.
    Also many pain addicts lose families and that is why they kill themselves because drugs was more important than the family and soon they find themselves all alone. Or they kill the parent, spouse or other with stress from dealing with the addict.
    It is a two edged sword to live on drugs for pain.
     
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    But in a free country what gives us the right to stop someone from killing themselves or harming themselves knowingly? Why not ban other harmful ingestions like sugar or bad fats? They kill more people and cost the country more then drug medical issues. (Of course the war on drugs is hugely expensive due to policing and incarceration)
    Your tax dollars already pay for it when it is illegal at least now the drug users and suppliers will be paying some for it. Unlike now which they do not.
     
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    True. It is a very hard subject because there are no right answers it seems.
    I am blessed with only pain i nthe neck that I take aspirin for so I can't imagine chronic severe pain.
     
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    What about illegal drugs? What kind of penalty should be for cartels pushers?
     
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    Well if drugs were legal then it would depend on if they could compete with legitimate businesses. Higher quality, accessibility, and lack of danger is a big draw. What can the Cartel's offer the consumer that American Enterprise cannot? If they cant compete they cant make money thus they leave of their own accord.
     
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    Good point. But legal and we'd have young people driving around even more than they do on drugs or not workign just staying high.
    No doctor would have gave my grandaughter more drugs so she robbed a store and will serve life in prison. She hand she got hooked.ad so much going for her, looks, very smart,
     
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    Would we? Instead of spending our normal tax dollars on incarceration and policing instead we would be spending our drug tax dollars on rehabilitation, education, and inspections of facilities. Your grand daughter got caught in the whole world of illicit drug use. Where criminal behavior begot more criminal behavior and so on. If she was in that world she dealt with criminals, committed crimes just by participating in the culture, and eventually convinced herself that another crime to continue was a proper course. Would she have done that in a none criminal drug culture? One where there are warnings, opportunities for help, and everything out in the open and above board?

    I dont know all the details of course I am only assuming the normal course of events of an addict. So please forgive me if I caused offense.
     
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    I know, but if we're going to make it legal for people to become addicts I want more than some I want it all. They are taxing cigarettes so they are more than $6 a pack. I want the legalized drugs taxed more. We already have enough freeloaders on the system with drug issues, we don't want more.
     
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    It is already legal to be an addict and you already pay for it with no tax support from the addict. To not make it legal because taxes may not cover all medical expenses makes no sense when you are paying money already for those medical expenses without those people contributing. Legalizing means instead of you paying for it all now the addict and sellers are also paying into it.

    As it stand now you are paying for their addiction at this very moment with your tax dollars. Wouldn't you like it if the addict and drug suppliers did as well?
     
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    Well, if you are hard to get along with, get yourself a vape device and give some cannabis oil a try. You can get some indica which should make you sleep well, without the laughing at stupid things.

    And at your age, you would not be hurting anyone, and it might make old age a bit less sucky. IMO, there are more upsides to pot than downsides. As the old song goes, you can take a trip without leaving the farm.

    Of course stay away from the hard drugs, like meth and opiates. These will put a monkey on your back.

    I think america needs a new tradition, a rites of passage. It would involve a very serious rite involving Ayahuasca with the right people overseeing it, in a amiable setting and structured to be a learning experience. You would get to meet the gods in the other dimension which this plant allows you to access. And it is a drug which many times unveils the nature of the ego, turning out better human beings post experience. It has even gotten people off of drugs like meth and opiates. By a mental transformation as a part of the experience.
     
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    LOL, at my age I may not be able to handle too much ' surprise '. But who knows.
     

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