Dual loyalty? No. Single loyaltly.

For as long as I can recall, many have debated and discussed the matter of the 'dual loyalty' that Jews have, between that of their host nation, and that of the Jewish state of Israel. Or to put it crudely, one cannot be loyal to two masters, at the same time, as it were. Although this question of loyalty most surely existed before the state of Israel came to being, it has inevitably and fairly become an even more pertinent matter since they did.

For me, the allegation of Jews having a dual and therefore conflicting loyalty, is wrong. Most of those outwith Israel have no dual loyalty, at all. Instead they have a single loyalty, and that loyalty lies with Israel and Jewry only.

A recent example of this came in the shape of some 100,000 ultra Orthodox who Jews took part in a mass rally in Manhattan’s Foley Square to protest Israel’s plan to conscript haredim (orthodox Jews) to the Israeli Defense Force. A march held prior to the protest drew tens of thousands of yeshiva students who wore baggy clothes.

Some 2,000 rabbis sat on special platform and 300 NYPD policemen secured the event.

Recently, the Israeli government has decided to abolish a special privilege granted to the ultra religious Jews, and started conscripting them into the army.

If Jews living in New York were truly “American” then this change in law would surely not affect them to this degree but it does, and as such, reveals conclusively that they have a single loyalty to Israel and themselves, above all others.

Would, for example, Catholics in Buenos Aries turn out to protest conscription in Poland?

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Thousands of haredim hold anti-draft protest in New York

Some 100,000 ultra-Orthodox Jews protest Israel's plan to conscript haredim in Manhattan's Foley Square. Rally unites two factions of Satmar Hasidim.


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4390353,00.html

 

I agree. The dual loyalty argument is one invented to make the gefilte fish go down without gagging; the Zionist is loyal only to Israel, their alleged loyalty to their host country is a ruse. It's like being loyal to a prostitute when you are a pimp.

 

So every Catholic is only loyal to the Pope? That's about the level of argument JN is making here.

 

The idea of being "loyal" to a country is outdated.

 

Perhaps the message would be clearer if we flew a fleet of jets over the sky, with large banners.

I mean, even Obama's former Chief of Staff, 'Rahm Emmanuel', fought for a foreign army.

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What does the Pope have to do with Jews protesting conscription of Jews, in Israel?

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Not when disloyalty endangers the land on which you were born, and your ancestors too.

 

It never can, and my ancestors are dead.

 

Of course it can, and while your ancestors may be dead, I prefer to respect what they worked hard to achieve, as well as taking care that I myself leave a nation in which people can enjoy the same liberties. If you are not mindful to those that are disloyal to the point they get to the stage of a Pollard, then you basically set your own country, those living now, or those just born, up, for the blowback from that.

 

Only a nation underserving of loyalty actually needs it.

 

So you are saying those Ultra- Orthodox Jews are Zionists corrcet ?

 

I'm saying they are correct if that is their position, but they shouldn't hide like Anne Frank. Come out and be proud to screw the country dumb enough to eat your matzo and misery. But apparently the Talmud encourages such deceptions.

 

What's the contrediction that makes you decide those Orthodox are more loyal to Israel than to the US?

You support deportation of any citizen that proves some loyalty to another country or just Jewish ppl ?

 

You are blabber like a crazy old woman.... what did any of the above got to do with your first statement or my question??

What "Anna Frank" hiding and what proud screwing ??

They are US citizens of Jewish origin and religion and they used their democratic right to demonstrate - not even against thier gov. what's not Kosher in that ?

 

What is it like living in a country that could not even exist if not for the USA? Do the people feel the weakness in their own population, or is it like the welfare queens of America, who not only feel no shame, but actually despise the father figure of government?

I think I know the answer. Jerusalem- made in the USA.

 

You are avoiding the topic...

Ill be happy to answer your questions thou,

Its a Nazi-Islamist fantasy that Israel cannot exist without the US, without going into much evidence - go back 40 years before the special relations began and see we did not only existed but won a few wars with European weapons indtead of US.

The rest of what you wrote is gibbrish..., stay off topic crazed clown, you got nothing to offer otherwise.

 

Israel will be mourning the going of Najadi for sure

He was their best asset in their propaganda war

Who can they get now to Wipe them off the map with nuclear weapons stories making headlines in their media machine? Ruhani?

Oh well if he is of no use to their propaganda machine then they can always assassinate him in a drive by shooting can't they.................

remember you read that last line here

 

I see. BTW you have been insulting me personally, but I do not make a fuss about those things and don't report them. I find the insults to be the measure of weakness.

To clarify my query then based on this exciting new information you posted, how does it feel to be part of a nation that cannot exist without the aid of foreign governments? That would include European countries.

 

While True Torah Jews/Neturei Karta are not Zionists others like Shas Rabbi Ovadi Yosef / and The National Religious Party (Hebrew: מפלגה דתית לאומית‎, Miflaga Datit Leumit and
Eretz Yisrael Shelanu (Hebrew: ארץ ישראל שלנו‎, lit. Our Land of Israel) is a far-right religious party in Israel, etc.etc clearly are Zionists ,

no ?

 

that's two for the moderators Gilos

3 strikes and you are out

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and some Arab Gulf countries

 

Don't report him. I'm enjoying this.

 

I bet he is trembling with fear.

In any case - JN hates jews, we get it.

 

I don't expect anyone to be afraid, I just like watching people write gibberish in effort to maintain the Zionist status quo.

It's fun to be part of the conversation.

 

The funny thing is that these "Dual loyaity" ultra orthodox jews demonstrating in the US, are the anti zionist ones all of you love to cheer.
You got everything mixed up guys, in the name of jew hating.

 

Are those the ones that live in the US and that demonstarted ?

 

Weapons my dear clown, weapons...

Just like any country that doesnt manufacutre weapons needs to buy some when war bearks out, so does Israel, how does it feel? great, to know we can pay for the weapons we need should the need arise gives one confidence. uless you suggest Israel did not pay France or the UK for the weapons it bought ?

 

I'm petrified, you should have used these terror methods on us during the wars...oooh...