Dubai's new COAL fired power plant

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dubai has fired up a coal-fired power plant to generate electricity. Despite its well-known oil wealth, this route was something the Dubai emirate has been planning for several years, to accommodate tourist and local traffic and provide sufficient electricity for the inhabitants of this small country.

    The construction of the $3.4 billion Hassyan plant in Dubai appears puzzling, as the United Arab Emirates hosts the headquarters of the International Renewable Energy Agency. It’s also building the peninsula’s first nuclear power plant and endlessly promotes its vast solar-power plant named after Dubai’s ruler. Dubai has also set the lofty goal of having the world’s lowest carbon footprint in the world by 2050 - something that would be impacted by burning coal.

    The coal plant's arrival comes as Gulf Arab nations remain among the world’s hungriest for energy and amid political concerns over the use of natural gas imported from abroad, concerns underscored by a years-long dispute with gas-producer Qatar, which is boycotted by four Arab nations, including the UAE.​

    https://apnews.com/article/virus-ou...rab-emirates-3c121b803e4142be7f780a0992adc83e October 2020


    Is this simply because renewable energy isn't actually all that practical?

    I mean, Dubai is a rich country - rich enough to embark on all sorts of over-the-top ostentatious luxury building projects. If renewable energy were so easy, you would think they would have done it.

    It would be interesting to hear what Dubai's government would say in response to someone from a (English-speaking / Western European) White country trying to chastise them for starting up a coal-fired power plant.
     
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    What nation does Dubai
    purchase its' coal?

    Does this coal burning plant have any engineering
    to try qualify as "clean" or cleaner than most?

    Likewise the quality of the coal Dubai purchases.

    Such as lower sulfur content.

    Inquiring minds want to know


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    Solar takes a fair amount of water and keeping the panels cleaned in the desert may be an issue. Nuclear cannot be cut on and off with the flip of switch. If their reactors scrammed they could be in a world of hurt if that is their primary power source.

    Just theories mind you, but every form of power generation has its kinks. A balanced approach is needed which is why all these green pledges are mainly BS.
     
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    No naked roof tops.
    Solar roads too.
    Stop concentrating on centralized production schemes. :rant:
    Plating the desert with panel/mirrors is not GREEN.
    Fries birds in flight.
    So many GREEN schemes not truly, GREEN.


    I don't see any development for home owners.
    Solar roof panels that hydrolysis water to hydrogen & oxygen
    Store the hydrogen for fuel cell use can support a family home
    with no new R & D. Purely "off the shelf".



    Whatever happened to "clean coal"?


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    Modern Nuclear power designs are quite safe and reliable, the problems are the fears of an uneducated people who clings to the old designs that have long been superseded, people cling to the long ago past when there were some problems reported.
     
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    China recolonizes Africa
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    Harvard University China specialist Edward Cunningham says China is building, planning or financing more than 300 coal plants, in places as widespread as Turkey, Egypt, Vietnam, Indonesia, Bangladesh and the…
     
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    The Chinese are committed to coal, no matter what they say.

    In 2020 China built three times more coal power than the rest of the world
    Coal power is surging in the second largest economy even as China tells the rest of the world to “cut carbon”

    If, hypothetically, China were to fund anti-coal groups in the countries it competes with — it would be a successful strategy to hurt them and advantage China. Which journalists would tell us if that were happening?

    China’s new coal power plant capacity in 2020 more than three times rest of world’s: study
    SHANGHAI (Reuters) – China put 38.4 gigawatts (GW) of new coal-fired power capacity into operation in 2020, according to new international research, more than three times the amount built elsewhere around the world and potentially undermining its short-term climate goals.

    The country won praise last year after President Xi Jinping pledged to make the country “carbon neutral” by 2060. But regulators have since come under fire for failing to properly control the coal power sector, a major source of climate-warming greenhouse gas.

    Including decommissions, China’s coal-fired fleet capacity rose by a net 29.8 GW in 2020, even as the rest of the world made cuts of 17.2 GW, according to research released on Wednesday by Global Energy Monitor (GEM), a U.S. think tank, and the Helsinki-based Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air (CREA).

    Do the Greens care more about stopping CO2 rising or about helping co-dependent uncompetitive industry mates in their own nations. Judge them by their choices: do they protest more against China’s new coal, or for subsidies for mates? . . .
     
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    2021 German Coal Plant “Phaseout” Lasted Only 8 Days…Put Back Online To Stabilize Shaky Grid
    By P Gosselin on 13. April 2021

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    German coal phaseout – lasted only 8 days
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    Due to the government mandated coal phase-out, 11 coal-fired power plants with a total capacity of 4.7 GW were shut down on January 1, 2021. But the coal phase-out ended up lasting only 8 days, after which several power plants had to be reconnected to the grid due to a prolonged low-wind period. . . .
     
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