Dudd Vs Phony

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  1. truthvigilante

    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right, who won the debate......HONESTLY and why? Concise responses would be great if possible!!!

    Sky and Seven gave it to Abbott, while Channel 10, Channel 9, ABC and BETFAIR gave it to Rudd!
     
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    I think Abbott managed to dodge more answers and say absolutely nothing but he's a good bloke.
    Rudd confused me with facts and figures and smiled at me, I think he is gay and trying to crack on to me.

    Abbott is a man's man, not a bit poofy (when he's not wearing pink lycra) so I am going with him.:weed: :weed: :weed: :weed:
     
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    I think the Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd won the debate, or that is what my Labor/Green/Union minders tell me.:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:
     
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    Loved her brightly coloured top and smile. I think she is trying to crack on to me. :beer: :weed: :beer: :weed: :beer:
     
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    I think it was pretty clear, Dudd waffled, didn't answer the questions, told blatant lies and rambled on about sh!t saying Abbott will do this or Abbott will do that. Abbott on the other hand was succinct, didn't ramble on like Dudd and didn't tell lies, he just told what Labor and Dudd HAD done. "If you want a new way, then you have to have a new government". AHHAAA! he got Dudd a beauty with that one, I loved the sour look on Kevy's face, I bet he gave his dog a flogging when he got home!
     
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    What a surprise, I would never have guessed those last two posts
     
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    Spud offered nothing sounded more of the same, all he had was a bit of scare mongering. Abbott's points to move the economy forward were clear, concise and a real commitment to do whatever it takes to make sure the boats are stopped. Spud had to make an impact, he failed, even a break even wouldve been as good as a lose for him.
     
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    You're right about the sleazy used car salesman dodging a warranty claim, I kept thinking, "for God's sake Rudd, stop waffling and get to the point! answer the bloody question!". Abbott showed great restraint over kevy's lies.
     
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    Abbott`s misogynistic blue caused a rug munching riot, down at dykie HQ.
     
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    I liked the fact that Abbott didn’t need to read off a piece of paper, but Rudd did.

    Abbott mentioned building roads and other infrastructure as part of the coalition development plan for Australia. Rudd only mentioned the NBN and some light rail project, which is already happening, but didn’t offer any other alternatives after he became PM. Rudd mentioned agriculture as a future reference to Australian prosperity, but not sure how that is possible, considering he is allowing millions of prime agricultural Australian land to be sold-off to foreign companies and foreign government. How will this prosperity come or be developed, when Australians don't own their own land anymore? You didn't mention that Kevin07.

    I thought Abbott might have nailed Rudd on refugees, and asked why the ALP is building a refugee centre at Singleton, if all the refugees are being re-settled in PNG.

    I think Rudd scored a big hit on Abbott after promising to legislate gay marriage equality within 100 days after he became PM, and it showed.

    Wasn’t really impressed with dull antiquated format, and the usual media scripted questions. I think a live format like Q&A, with NO scripted questions would have been better, and showed more genuine ability from both Rudd and Abbott.

    Neither one was inspiring, and I’m sick to death of hearing these parasite constantly spruiking about the consequences of GFC, which happened over 5 years ago. Its now 2013, not 2008.

    They were like a pair of drunken old molls in a beer garden having a scrap about something that transpired decades ago, but has no relevance now.
     
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    To be honest, I thought their dancing was great.

    Abbott to me looked far more relaxed and focused. He spoke his script with precision, he was well practiced. I thought he may of come unstuck with some panel questions, but he handled them adequately, without too much Abbott stammering. Although I do not agree with his stance on same sex marriage, he stood his ground, knowing full well if he agreed to a conscience vote it would of more than likely sealed Rudds fate. He agreed with the ALP health reforms and other smaller policy implementations. He was more pointed in his allocation of funds than I thought he needed to be. He looked a little silly in regards to his asylum seeker policy in my opinion. Basically he is going to adopt Rudds adopted offshore processing. So basically more of the same whichever way you look.

    Rudd was disappointing and a mere shadow of his 07 self. He looked rushed and desperate. I remember his effort against Howard, and this was far from that. I come away thinking that we are going to see the same old stuff from Rudd and his mates. He was far too animated with his body language, only to be outshone by Abbotts cheesy exclamation finger at the end of his, " if you want a new way, you need a new government". Nice bit of cheesy tv from the budgie smuggler.

    I have to say that we the public were the big losers, as not too many questions were answered. However to be fair, how do you put policy into laymans terms in 60 seconds or so. Crap format really.

    If I was too be honest, I think Abbott was a better performer than Rudd. He seemed more prepared, more focused, and more suscinct . Rudd did waffle a bit, and even tried to regress back to the age old work choices, and big bad Johnny Howard days that worked for him in 07. Only problem is it is 2013.

    Sorry Labor tragics, but your messiah fell a bit flat and performed under his ability. His opponent in my opinion performed above what I thought he would, and came across a little stronger.
     
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    I'd rate it a draw between two of the dullest men in living history.
     
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    If Rudd was a race horse, his form would rate to carry around 3kg. Pity he`s loaded down by more baggage than a clydesdale pack horse.

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    This is politics, not the gay madi grass.

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    This is politics, not the gay madi grass.
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why, what did he outline in terms of the economy that was so good?

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    Abbott used notes in his debate with Gillard, but no hysteria was created despite the rules.....lol!
     
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    [QUOTEAbbott used notes in his debate with Gillard, but no hysteria was created despite the rules.....lol![/QUOTE]

    WTF? Who cares?
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WTF? Who cares?[/QUOTE]

    ???????????.............You know the health warnings aussie but yet you continue!
     
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    ???????????.............You know the health warnings aussie but yet you continue![/QUOTE]

    We have become accustomed to your having nothing of substance to say. Blaaah blahh blaahhh garrr garrr! Is that all you have to say?
     
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    Main roads, reducing red tape, one stop green tape shop, fair work, cutting tax on business, cutting mining and carbon taxes ect

    Vs

    The Spud who wants students trained and ready to fill all the jobs the magic job fairy will deliver - he offered nothing other than more of the same.

    Hear him today? Labor looks over the horizon to foresee economic chances and invest in the future.......because thats what Labor does. HAha yeah Spud, we've seen how that went in the last 6 years, what a joke.
     
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    We have become accustomed to your having nothing of substance to say. Blaaah blahh blaahhh garrr garrr! Is that all you have to say?[/QUOTE]

    Getting a little hysterical there aussie! It's called fighting fire with fire...lol!
     
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    Look, I actually hoped to see something solid from Abbott, who is most likely going to be our next PM! I don't think abbott gave us anything to look forward to and feel excited by! Abbott was unable to explain anything in detail and once again got away with providing nothing of substance!

    Rudd raised legitimate questions about where funding would come from for the coalition to cover their costs as a consequence of removing the ETS, MRRT! Why isn't anyone concerned with this? The funding has to come from somewhere!

    Rudd made it clear that despite the constant allegations of the ALP being the highest taxing government that in fact the previous liberal government were the highest taxing government even with the MRRT! There was simply no denial from Abbott on this fact!

    Abbott was vague on the boats issue, while Rudd once again articulated the governments policy!

    Those that felt Rudd waffled obviously had difficulty keeping up, and probably need to acknowledge their own lack of proficiency in current political topics! There are some who have obviously been dumbed down by the Abbott "3 word slogan"!

    Rudd did well within the framework of the debate structure! Still waiting to hear something of substance from Abbott! Don't get me wrong once again, he is going to be our next PM and I think for many of us who don't agree sincerely want something to feel optimistic about! It will be totally disappointing if we don't see anything in the coming debates! Rudd is a clown as far as I'm concerned but abbott is far from being an alternative IMO!
     
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    One point... and the only real issue I thought might have come out of that debate... Twitter came across as Rudd won... Fine we all know how that works. BUT the most believable person during the night the presenter (on TEN) stated “Twitter looks to say Rudd won the debate, but that could be due to the political persuasion of Twitter. " ( I am paraphrasing)

    So really does twitter have a political persuasion??? I find that hard to swallow, but maybe they are just talking about those of that persuasion tweet to such things... Just a side interest...
     
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    The people of Australia have lost big time. The politicians are getting people focused on children and university students being educated, but don’t mention “what” future employment these educated children and students are going to be doing.

    What vision do these politicians have for these educated Australian children and students when the mining/minerals boom is over within the next 10-20 years?

    When the massive new mining operations open in South America; Canada and Russia within the next few years. I personally cannot see China; USA or other countries spending additional time and money coming to our geographical location just to buy Australian resource, when they can get them faster and just as cheap elsewhere.

    Australia will end up having to sell their natural resources at garage sale prices just to stay competitive.

    When the mining boom comes to a halt, or no one wants our resources; what happens to the Australian people then?

    While every other European country looks towards the future, and are investing in their own countries and peoples development of new technologies and buying assets.

    Australia is dying, and still living in the 1990’s. This country has no plans and no future. I really feel extremely sorry for anyone who has children or grandchildren living in Australia, and cannot get them out.
     
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    You have been asked this before, and may have answered it and I missed it so I will ask again. CD, are you an Australian Citizen?
     

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