Durham charges Steele dossier sub-source with five counts of making false statements to the FBI

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  1. The Mello Guy

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    And that data was given to russian intelligence. And anyone who cooperated was denied a pardon. Why didn’t gates get a pardon?
     
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    Why did the Ukraine stop cooperating with the Mueller Manafort/Ukraine corruption angle once they got tank busters from Trump? <- Answers itself.
     
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    These are all just wild unrelated coincidences lol
     
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    Rational raison d'etat on the part of Ukraine.
     
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    The problem is the court. It's the FISA judges. The FBI did what they did because they knew they could get away with it, and did.

    And even if it only was the FBI, nothing has been done, and no reforms are going to happen; at least not real ones. Although I believe the FBI is a problem and should be abolished, that doesn't relieve the FISA court for it's failures.
     
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    The FISA court reacted strongly and negatively to the FBI action.
     
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    No it doesn't, this Stasi court(that was actually created via the Church Commission) did not whatsoever end the problem of foreign intelligence surveillance abuse. In fact, it made it worse. The only way the FISA court can exist, is if it exists within the module of the American judicial system(meaning review), or not at all.
     
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    They approved the warrants. So no, they went along like good little lickspittles.
     
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    Not a shred of evidence it went to Russian intellegence as I cited from the Mueller report especially with any knowledge of Manafort let alone Trump. Why are you so hung on something so trivial?
     
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    He even had a campaign underling send it to his former business associate. WOW now THAT'S how super secret spies work!!!!
     
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    They're too deep into the conspiracy, and they should honestly sue MSN, etc for mental peace of mind due to their blatantly false coverage of the circumstances surrounding what was/still is the biggest fraudulent scandal in American political history. And Durham's not letting up on the investigation.
     
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    Mueller could determine if it ever was given to the Russian government or what they would have done with it had they gotten it. I sure Russian intelligence is aware of rcp.com.
     
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    This is something worthy of a Special investigation -- need to be folks sent to Jail for being party to the Witch hunt .. Those within the bureaucracy that aided and abetted.. going right up the chain .. until we have Hillary in Chains !
     
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    I served in the intelligence community for 34 years. The FISA court plays a valuable role upholding the law while protecting sources and methods.
     
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    FISA court's rebuke of the FBI: It broke or ignored the rules and ...
    https://thehill.com › opinion › judiciary › 475053-fisa-...


    Dec 18, 2019 — The presiding judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) has issued a stinging rebuke to the FBI in the wake of Justice ...


    Secret FISA court issues highly unusual public rebuke of FBI ...
    https://www.nbcnews.com › politics › justice-department


    Dec 17, 2019 — Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz said the FBI made serious and repeated mistakes in seeking under the Foreign Intelligence ...


    FISA court slams FBI conduct in Carter Page surveillance ...
    https://www.cnn.com › 2019/12/17 › politics › fisa-court-...


    Dec 17, 2019 — The typically ultra-close-lipped Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court slammed the FBI for mistakes it made in the Carter Page ...
     
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    Which has also proven its subject to abuse by other agencies.
     
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    As are all human institutions. The point is we would be much worse off without it.
     
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    I understand it’s purpose but it is a perfect court to abuse since it is by design not transparent.
     
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    It can play that role, subject to the same scrutiny as any other federal prosecutor. Warrants, and checks and balances. The intelligence community abused the 'exception', so now nothing will become exceptional in this country.
     
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    There are warrants, checks and balances.
    The FISA Court's Essential Purpose - Foreign Policy Research ...https://www.fpri.org › article › 2018/08 › the-fisa-court...
    Aug 6, 2018 — ... suggest that the checks and balances created by those reforms are ... security is the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), ...

    ". . . Notably, for all the recent squabbling regarding the FISC process, it largely resembles the ex parte procedures used with any “conventional” law enforcement wiretap: a single judicial official decides whether or not to permit surveillance based on an application presented in a closed proceeding by representatives of the executive branch (i.e., generally employees of the Justice Department). Moreover, the judges serving on the FISC and charged with reviewing and approving FISA applications or certifications are Article III judges (chosen by the Chief Justice of the United States) who, aside from their FISC responsibilities, perform the duties regularly assigned to U.S. district and circuit court judges in adjudicating civil and criminal proceedings. Consequently, these judges already are fully conversant with overseeing the safeguards governing the conduct of electronic surveillance for law enforcement purposes and can bring that knowledge and experience to bear in applying FISA’s provisions to electronic surveillance initiated for foreign intelligence purposes.

    The FISC exists solely to insure that electronic surveillance conducted for foreign intelligence purposes is conducted consistently with the requirements of the FISA statute and with Constitutional guarantees. While critics at each end of the political spectrum call either for greater transparency in FISC proceedings or, conversely, for the abolition of the FISC itself, 40 years of experience has confirmed the efficacy of the FISC’s performing the often awkward, at times unpopular, and indisputably difficult balancing of national security considerations and civil liberties that is inevitably implicated in the conduct of surreptitious electronic surveillance for foreign intelligence and counterintelligence purposes. . . . "
     
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    Drawing the lines ever tighter.

    Durham's Indictment: More Lines Drawn to Clinton Camp

    Jonathan Turley, The Hill

    ". . . Durham is known as a methodical, apolitical and unrelenting prosecutor. Thus far, his work seems to betray a belief that the FBI got played by the Clinton campaign to investigate the Trump team. The question is whether Durham really wants to indict just the figurative tail if he can get the whole dog — a question that now may weigh heavily on a number of Washington figures, just as it did following Durham’s indictment in September of Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann. . . ."
     
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    Everyone needs to remember that this whole Steele dossier thing was started by the McCain campaign.

    John McCain described how he received the Steele dossier that contains the most salacious allegations about Trump and Russia
     
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    Treasury disagrees. Didn’t I already post you the link?
     
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    Mueller never said either way where the Intel went.
     

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