Dutton for Would you prefer Dutton as PM

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Who would you like as PM

  1. Dutton

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  2. Abbott

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  3. Turnbul

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  4. Albanese

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  5. Shorten

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  6. Me

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  1. culldav

    culldav Well-Known Member

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    Which one of the below ALP or LNP candidates would you vote for
     

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  2. yiostheoy

    yiostheoy Well-Known Member

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    I always get confused about PM's and MP's.

    But with all the British history I have been reading lately I am starting to get it.
     
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    yiostheoy Well-Known Member

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    Just sell the U235 to the US.

    We need it for our warships.
     
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    yiostheoy Well-Known Member

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    God only knows whom God has chosen.
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I want to thank all those who voted for "Me" :woot:
    but, I am not Australian. Moi.





    If you ferigners had a good, American Primary System, :flagus: :salute:
    who might you wish to see run for PM from junior Party ranks?

    Moi :oldman:



    Don't :flagcanada:ize Australia!
     
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  6. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We need it for energy production. But we have plenty of it, so sure, sounds good to me :)
     
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    yiostheoy Well-Known Member

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    I think Fukushimi and Pennsylvania have shown that nuclear power for domestic energy is not a good idea.

    It is however perfect for aircraft carriers and submarines.
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On the contrary, modern nuclear technology is very safe, those incidents are nothing compared to the harm caused by fossil fuels, and as a nation as large as Western Europe we have no need to place our reactors in earthquake prone coastal areas. We could place it 1000km from the nearest city if we wanted to.

    The dangers are vastly overstated, the benefits are vastly understated. We currently produce 3/4ths of our energy with coal. This must change.
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Remember:

    Nuclear
    It only takes one oopsy



    The oopsy list goes on
    3 Mile Island
    Chernobyl
    Fukushima.


    Go Hydrogen.
    Burn it.
    Fuel Cell it.
    Make it via a roof top solar hydrolysis unit.
    Australia does NOT need Nuclear.
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Solar is not going to be sufficient. We use mostly coal. This is bad. We need to change this as soon as possible. The only clean alternative is nuclear.

    Fukushima absolutely pales in comparison to the death and disease created by coal.
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    [​IMG]
    Fukushima Fish
    How many tens of thousands of years for that radiation to reduce by half?


    Remember, The Conqueror (1954)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conqueror_(1956_film)#Cancer_controversy
    The exterior scenes were shot near St. George, Utah, 137 miles (220 km) downwind of the United States government's Nevada National Security Site. In 1953, 11 above-ground nuclear weapons tests occurred at the site as part of Operation Upshot–Knothole. When were they filming?
    Director Powell died of cancer in January 1963, seven years after the film's release. Armendáriz was diagnosed with kidney cancer in 1960, and killed himself in June 1963 after he learned his condition had become terminal. Susan Hayward, John Wayne, and Agnes Moorehead all died of cancer in the 1970s. Hoyt died of lung cancer in 1991.



    Thyroid First.
    Then Leukemia/Lymphoma
    and in about ten years the solid organ malignancies begin and continue
    to occur with an unusually high incidence in a radiated population.


    There is a solution to Australia's Energy needs without nuclear.
    How about not selling you Natural Gas to Japan?
    And such smarter energy planning.

    Smaller production emphasis such as solar on all new construction roof tops.
    Germany did it. A no naked roof tops policy.
    "They" always want to keep production in big, central facilities to be distributed
    and over looking the addition of small add ons, such as residential solar roofs.

    Give Smart Energy Planning a Chance.
     
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    I'm all for solar on residential roofs, I have been an advocate since the tech became affordable. But we need a grid too.

    Exactly how many people have died from Fukushima? Because 3 million a year die from burning fossil fuels.

    It doesn't matter that most of the scare material out there about Fukushima is complete bunk. It doesn't matter that with modern reactor technology and proper reactor placement there is very little danger of a meltdown. It doesn't matter that nuclear produces a small amount of very containable waste compared with the bulk toxic greenhouse gasses produced by coal.

    Cause radiation = scary!

    It doesn't matter that the scare mob are consistently wrong on the science and routinely lie to "protect the environment" by necessitating we pump millions of tonnes of noxious gasses into the air. Cause radiation = scary.

    You know what else is scary? Your kid coughing up blood from pollution. Your visibility being 50m because the city is so full of smog. The epidemic of disease caused by fossil fuels.

    And guess what, these scenarios are all vastly more common than any radiation death. Than any bloke who happened to be standing within 10mi of a bomb before we knew the proper effects.

    It's time to dispense with the knuckle dragging and do what needs to be done - construct a nuclear and renewable joint energy plan. Coal can be a part of that too, but there are far better alternatives.

    We have the world's highest reserves of Uranium ore.
    We have the world's third best university system for experts
    We have millions of sqkm of land in the absolute middle of nowhere.
    We have no excuses.
     
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    Jeff Kennett should be held accountable.
    Would privatisation of energy providers have gone ahead if he hadn't started the ball rolling?
     
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    There are countries who use nuclear power generation which haven't had Fukushima type catastrophes- France, England.

    Is this luck or good management?
     
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    Duplicate.
     
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    It astounds me that the climate change crowd is not clamouring for nuclear power.

    Renewables are not without waste either. Solar uses heavy earth elements which we have no serious plan for recycling. It's a question of waste per mW with a little dusting of constant power generation for good measure.
     
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    It’s funny really. The thought of clean power.

    We are either putting waste above the ground and in the air or on the other hand we are burying it in the ground.

    I say the problem is humans.
     
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    Love it, BUT he has to remain in the job for 13months before he qualifies. UNLESS they changed the rules, wouldn't surprise me.
     
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    It's actually 6 in the past 10 years and they all did at least 13 months. Maybe they are all trying to get as many through and eligible for the big pension before we realise they are playing us for fools and give them all the big A.
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    Don't you just love mr rabbit as an envoy to the indigenous?
    "Haven't we been punished enough?"
     
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    How on earth could you like shorten while he sat as the minister for disability??? sorry, but I just do wonder how much attention you pay. Shorten was the minister who cut huge funding to disable programs to spend on policy to make the states pay for a federal government promises. The NDIS being one and several others. Again you must have believed his lies to accept he was a good minister… Strange that…


    However, Morrison has the enviable honour to not be the one to bring down a Turnbull government. Is that enough to bring some sense of better government??? No, listening to media and factional party members to reward supporters and isolate the opposition factions of party. Laughable to claim he is uniting the parting and leading a stable government.

    I Believe Turnbull’s press conference said it all. Being shocked that the party would vote him out and blood and blame… Err isn’t that what the petulant child did to Abbott??? Sniping??? Abbott was up front in the Media taking pot shots at the Prime minister over policy that majority of the party were split on. When you announce policy as government policy then simply take it to the party for rubber stamping. When you cannot take a position and sit with it and when you cannot control the members of the party because you are just too scared to upset the apple cart, you don’t deserve to lead.

    Many lay claim that Turnbull’s leadership will be look up in hindsight as a good leader. Truth is he could not hold the party together he could not lead his party to decent policy advancement.

    Will Morrison be better??? No, fact is, all we saw, is the squabble in the bus to see who will be sitting behind the steering wheel when it hits the wall. Turnbull lead a destructive party which failed to bring new policy. Regurgitating policy from the past from both sides to try presenting a greater government. When you have money, it is hard to feel the pain the people feel…
     
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    Yes, ALL except Morrison, who has 9months to sit...UNLESS he wins the next election...
     

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