Dying words: This [Covid] isn't real

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    just like in certain situations they can have a curfew, Trump has declared a national emergency for this pandemic, so yes, masks can be required in high risk situations
     
  2. drluggit

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    If you aren't going to address the examples, why respond at all? Why do democratic elite not get arrested for obviously violating the laws they themselves have put in place? Explain that.
     
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    Americans are a little headstrong, undisciplined and random? Sorry.
     
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  4. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    Not everyone is wearing one. Claiming so is a lie and you know it.

    And masks only REDUCE transmission between 70%-80% based on the best information we have. So it works most of the time, not all of the time. [This is why social distancing is also VERY important] But, even reducing spread is better than it sounds because it also helps to reduce the exposure dosage. People like hospital workers who get direct, heavy exposure, often get very sick and die quickly.

    By limiting exposure, you can reduce the amount of virus in your system and give your immune system a better chance to respond and attack the virus before it rages out of control. This is not an on and off problem only. How much you get also matters a great deal. It can mean the difference between just feeling sick, and dying a horrible death.

    So wearing a mask may do one of two things:

    Firstly, the mask on a person near you may capture the virus-infected water droplets that person exhales, and prevent you from having any exposure.

    Next, if you are exposed, masks on both you and the infected person help to reduce the amount of virus you receive, which can reduce the severity of your illness.

    The key to understanding this is to recognize that there are no absolutes. It is all a numbers game. The goal is to limit the odds of exposure wherever possible as much as possible.
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    PS: 70-80% protection is better than most vaccines. Many vaccines are only 50-60% effective.

    However, it appears that the Covid vaccines may be as much as 95% effective, which is very rare and about as good as it gets. It seems that we got very lucky in this regard.

    But until the vaccines are ready, our best defenses are masks, social distancing, and frequent hand washing and sanitizing. There is going to be one hell of a lot of death over the next few months. How much death we see is a choice. We can't avoid it all but we can avoid much of it. Today we have lost over 250,000 US citizens to Covid. Had we followed the European model, put a gag on trump and his misinformation army, and destroyed trump's phone, that number would be more like 80,000.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes, The Emperor's New Clothes are ravishing! :roflol:
     
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    There are so many ways why new infections still occur. Sometimes from stubborn mask refusers who are still everywhere ... just as one of many examples:
    Do the children in schools wear masks all the time and always keep social distancing?
    Hardly ... and even if the likelihood that the children will get COVID-19 is very low, they are still infected and can infect others as well as adults. And after school, what do you do at home? Mask? Distance to mom, dad, brother, sister & Co.? ;-)

    What about hand hygiene? I mean, everyone has to go out, for example to do some shopping. So you touch 1 million other things that others have also touched and the virus unfortunately lives a little longer on surfaces and at some point your own hand wanders towards your own face ... or to other people without regularly hitting yourself to have disinfected! ;-)

    Masks do not prevent the spread, they reduce it ... as all measures can only reduce it, but not prevent it entirely!
     
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    Aren't they though.

    For the public: Wear masks, no indoor gathering, no singing!
    For the rulers: That doesn't apply to us (at least when we don't think "our people" will post to the internet.)



    Nice photo op "for the public", only when they thing we're watching though:

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    So, you have no explanation. And virus exposure is still happening, and it happens to folks who wear masks religiously. It still happens. You cannot ignore that it does, and frankly the "but bad people" BS is kind of lame at this point. We see folks who distance, who mask, who still become infected. It's sad that folks on the left have decided to tie themselves to tyranny instead of science. But then, what else is new about you folks. The dangerous thing about this mentality you exhibit is this willingness to absolve your leaders who always seem to show up in public not following their own mandates, and it gets a laugh, cause, you know, wink, wink, the rulers have their own rules... This is what you've supporting, and even in your own nation, it hasn't helped, has it?
     
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    STOP!
    I have to contradict you very decidedly!
    First of all, there is nothing, absolutely nothing in any form of tyranny ... no ... but there is a gigantic pile of idiotic bullshit claims and even more idiotic conspiracy theories among those people who, with their attitude of resistance, are only fully justified as COVIDIOTS can denote.

    However, the facts are clear and indisputable! Masks themselves provide protection and masks are generally only about not infecting others with so-called "droplet infection". A mask in front of the mouth and nose reduces the range by 2/3 and that alone is reason enough that even the stupidest jerk among those refusers to has to wear a damn mask!
    Only the FFP2 mask offers full protection against being infected!
    And as far as hand hygiene and hygiene in general are concerned, it was said from the start that you should wash your hands several times a day and also disinfect them ... especially when you have touched everything "outside".
    Nothing else was ever told, even the refusers never tire of claiming the opposite again and again ... as well spreading their mental garbage further!

    In all honesty, I have zero sympathy for refusers!
     
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    The biggest source of "new infections" is manipulated numbers offered by a bogus test.
     
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    So, wall of text, and we get to your actual point. "no sympathy for refusers"... Gosh. just another recycle of the term deniers... Well, here's the facts. Fact, folks who distance and wear masks ARE being infected. Fact. Isolation means that the impact time line will only get longer. Fact, Masks do not, in fact, ever protect the wearer of the mask. Fact, a recovered covid patient is no longer infectious. So, mask wearing is a uniformity dogma that reinforces the tyranny. Simple as that.

    You know what the real issue is? Democrats in this country, and folks like you around the world are afraid that the "evil other" is going to get you. So, instead of taking measures for yourself to protect yourselves, you demand that everyone else modify their behavior to make you feel less afraid. That actually is tyranny. So look more deeply at your own motives. You don't actually care that folks are infected, you just feel entitled enough that you shouldn't have to become exposed and are willing to throw out individual responsibility and rights out the door to make yourself feel better.

    The observation that killing the economy to save your feelings is pretty selfish. More, it's pretty draconian when you have to be judged for the number of other kinds of deaths from suicide to over doses to mental health break downs from your willingness to deprive folks of their society. Folks in the future will look back on your advocacy and not kindly.
     
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    No ... the FACT is that you are twisting things here and saying things that are utter nonsense!

    NOBODY has ever said that you are immune with a mask and that you can't get infected ... only you deniers / refusers do this nonsense of claims!

    You just don't get it that it's about containment and not about prevention. The point is to reduce the risk. Are we as simple as you are:

    You are facing an infected person at a distance of 2 meters ... and the person then has to sneeze in your direction. Ask:

    1. If you and the person do not wear masks, how big or high is the risk of infection for you?
    2. He and you are wearing a mask, how big or high is the risk of infection for you now?

    answer this question honestly and then there is no need to deny facts.
    As for the economic ramifications ... I'm starting to stop hearing. What a bullshit!
    Yes, the economy is suffering ... but so what? That is a question of how the politicians handle it, because human lives still count more than money ... even if it does not suit people like you! The dead are of no use to the economy, eh?

    And now we are talking of around 1.4 million deaths worldwide ... there has not been such a deadly pandemic since the Spanish flu a hundred years ago!
    But I know ... the hardcore refusers also deny this number, just as they deny everything at Corona that contradicts their views.
     
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    But sure enough ... all manipulation and conspiracy. Sure yes ... the evil chinese released the virus to harm the US, the Bill Gates Foundation and George Soros are helping them to create a new world order, and the WHO and lefties are the willing tools to tell the necessary lies spread.

    Did I forget to mention some other total nonsense now?
     
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    LOL, no you didn't forget anything.

    I get my monthly ration of total nonsense by reading just one of your posts on the covid topic. :lol:
     
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    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    When I read yours and many other posts on COVID-19 with their bullcrap of claims and balbbering, I have enough stock of nonsense for years.
    :-D
     
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    It's true! In a time of universal deception, speaking the truth is a radical act.
     
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