East vs West. Who is stronger - the SCO or NATO?

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  1. Destroyer of illusions

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    https://ria.ru/politics/20180606/1522142807.html

    To compare the total military potential of the SCO member states and the NATO member states, the latest report of the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) The Military Balance 2018 is used. It is updated annually and contains detailed information about the composition, characteristics and tasks of the armed forces of most countries of the world. During the calculation, military budgets, the number of armies, the presence of nuclear weapons, as well as the number of tanks, artillery, aircraft, ships and submarines were taken into account.

    Nuclear parity

    According to recent reports, the total military budget of the SCO countries is $ 300-320 billion. On defense spending, China is leading (175 billion according to official information of the Chinese side). In the armed forces of the organization today serves 5.1 million people. The largest armies are owned by China (slightly more than two million troops), India (1.4 million) and Russia (900,000). Pakistan occupies the fourth place - 654 thousand soldiers under arms. These four states are part of the nuclear club. In their assets - 7,320 warheads of various capacities, both deployed on carriers and stored. Russia's contribution to this huge arsenal is 6800 warheads.

    The total military budget of 29 NATO member states is about 946 billion dollars and in the next few years can exceed a trillion. The first fiddle in defense spending is played by the USA - 610 billion. The total strength of the armed forces of the alliance countries is 3.3 million people. The top three are the United States (1.3 million troops), Turkey (500,000) and France (203,000). The smallest army in Latvia (5310 people), Montenegro (1950 people) and Luxembourg (900 people). The NATO member of Iceland has no armed forces at all. Nuclear weapons in the alliance are the USA (6,600 warheads), France (300 warheads) and the United Kingdom (215 warheads) - a total of 7115 warheads.

    On land, at sea and in the air

    The main strike force of the land forces of any state is tanks. And the armor of the SCO countries can crush anyone. In view of the machines that are in the warehouses of storage in Russia and China, the organization is able to roll on the battlefield as much as 26 thousand tanks - against the 15,000 NATO countries, including reserves. At the same time, eight of the 29 NATO countries do not have their own tank divisions at all.

    Artillery, ("Gods of War") - also on the side of the SCO. In the arsenal of the countries of the organization are 33 thousand different howitzers, cannons, mortars and rocket launcher systems. With reserves, the figures are even more serious: in Russia alone, 22,500 units of artillery armament are in storage depots. However, NATO can also "ignite" it. In the armies of the alliance countries, there are 25,000 guns. There are six mortars even in Luxembourg.

    The West certainly surpasses the East in naval capabilities - mainly thanks to the powerful US Navy. Ships and submarines in the fleets of NATO countries - 2,291 (including supply vessels and coast guard ships). According to the missile cruisers and aircraft carriers, the superiority of the North Atlantic alliance is absolute. In the fleets of the SCO countries to date, 1558 ships and submarines. The largest submarine fleet is the United States (68 boats), Russia and China (62 boats each).

    Finally, NATO states have the largest air armada. The Air Force of the alliance includes 20,500 aircraft, helicopters and convertoplanes (including military transport, reconnaissance, maritime, special aviation and training vehicles). The US Air Force has nearly 14,000 aircraft.
    The SCO, in turn, can lift about 11,000 aircraft and helicopters into the air, slightly more than half of which have Russian and Chinese residence permits.

    Of course this is a primitive study (much depends on the quality and technical characteristics of any military equipment), but in general terms the military forces are approximately equal.
    Consequently, NATO will certainly lose. It is obvious. In most of its wars, Russia fought the enemy, which was many times superior to Russia, both in military potential, in economic potential and in human ... and Russia always defeated such an opponent.

    If we assume the military clash of the SCO against NATO, where the military potentials are approximately equal, but in the economic and human potential of the SCO countries certainly have the advantage - obviously, the countries of NATO will lose. And with modern (including nuclear) weapons, NATO's loss will be instantaneous.

    What do you think about it?


     
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    I'm not much impressed with SCO military potential.
    We can discount both sides nuclear arsenals. They are not really weapons of war but political statements and are not useable in battle because they invite the obvious nuclear retaliation.
    Russia and China are not able to project power across the globe. SCO militaries lack recent experience of war. It is also outclassed in terms of quality by western weapons and training of military personnel. I don't see any region of the world where military action launched by SCO has a chance to succeed in detaching a country from its previous affiliations and adding it to the SCO roster.
     
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    the SCO
     
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    Neither have anything on America. It's like wondering who is "second winner".
     
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    Vietnam?:roflol:
     
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    The SCO is NATO, it is only hypothetical. The review on this topic is connected with the fact that China offers a military alliance with Russia. They are both members of the SCO.

    Speaking of the present state of affairs, Russia alone can destroy NATO. Even without the application of nuclear weapons. And this is obvious to everyone who has a brain.

    By the way, I found an interesting pictures.

    "Green" - imposed sanctions against Russia
    "Gray" - did not impose sanctions against Russia

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    The countries of the world are external debt.
    "Red" - a debt of more than 50,000 dollars for each person.
    "Pink" - a debt of 10,000 to 50,000 dollars for each person
    "Gray" - less than $ 10,000 per person

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    An amazing coincidence. Is not it?
     
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    What is SCO?
     
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    All this hypothetical dick swinging.

    NOBODY wins in a war between NATO and anyone else. Its just that NATO won't lose as much as their opponents.
     
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    Are you going to be another source of nutty leftist comments?
     
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    The Chinese have stolen American business and defense technology for 50 years (their last innovation was gunpowder).

    They're probably quite capable by now.
     
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    As a result of the attack in southern Somalia, one US serviceman was killed and four more soldiers were injured, KNN reported. Even savages with machine guns kicked your asses. Buy diapers, fighters. Your heroes are able to fight only in Hollywood.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/08/politics/us-military-somalia-casualty/index.html
     
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    The presence of US troops in Syria exacerbates tensions between government forces and the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), dominated by the Kurds. Some politicians and officers of the Syrian army accuse SDF of serving as "puppets" for the US and other Western powers.
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    Wrong!

    Wrong!

    Wrong!

    Wrong!




    You are funny! See, these guys think so too.
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    If you don't know, then you better learn and mighty fast. It's growing!


    If you mean losing civilians, then you are right. Otherwise I wouldn't bet on it.
     
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    Let me remind you the last war we were in where we were clearly on the winning side was WW2.Our Korean,Viet Nam,Iraq and Afhghanistan war efforts have not been wildly successful.And Russia certainly didn't do very well in Afghanistan either.
     
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    I can guarantee that NATO wouldn't lose as much as your beloved Rodina.
     
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    Nope. India and Pakistan hate each other with a passion and India and China have fought twice in my lifetime over a border in the high mountains. No love lost there either.
    SCO is an empty suit.
     
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    Whatever happened to their, BRICS?

    Seems like all SCO and BRICS to is announce mutual cooperation,
    and set up offices for what purpose, one can only imagine?

    Considering the members, likely to pay family/friends big, undeserved salaries and benefits.


    Sort of reminds me of Biden's son and his job with Ukrainian Oil, Inc.
    oops, that's our side :roflol:


    Moi :oldman:




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    For example, Japan, in spite of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, is an ally of the United States. As they said in the famous American film - never say never.
     
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    NATO is a parody of a military bloc. If Iceland, a member of NATO, does not have an army, what can talk about? NATO is a political bloc.
     
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    I wrote above. This is a hypothetical confrontation. Because China offered Russia to create a military bloc. China and Russia are members of the SCO. And if this military bloc is created, there are already those who want to join this bloc. Also members or observers in the SCO. For example, Iran.
     
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    Never say never. Remember the relationship between Japan - the US, Germany - the US, Turkey - the US, Mexico - the US ... etc. And now we see also the conflicts of the USA-Canada, the USA-the EU .... etc. Remember - from love to hate - one step. And vice versa.

    In this case, you will soon see how the former "loyal" allies of the US flee to another camp. But this is a natural process. The same was after the collapse of the USSR, when his military allies fled to another camp.
     
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    NATO is an anachronism since the dissolution of the ole USSR!
     

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