Eastern Europeans making money inflaming right wing nationalis

I'm a mother of a daughter and an Atheist. I'M not really understanding why people asking Pa ul ine Hanson avery relevent question makes you worry for your daughters future or makes you think you need to embrace Islam ,let alone any religion. I don't feel that way at all and the onlytime recently I've felt like someone's wanted me to embrace religion was when Mormons came door knocking.

What all of us should be able to agree on is that it's not okay to discrimate against anyone because of their gender, ethnicity or religion, And Fraser Anning is someone who does exactly that. There's something Seriously wrong with his reaction of he doesn't condone violence but they brought this on themselves.

 

Pretty **** I imagine. It's easy to forget that like the parents of those shot, she effectively lost her son that day also. He (rightly) wont see sun again, I doubt they will allow visits. Youd be questioning your parenting pretty hard I imagine.

He was radicalised in France, travelling around looking at the state of mass migration, and Islamic attacks in Europe. I believe thats a few pages ahead of where you are.

 

I agree.
The truth needs robust airing, and lies and propaganda acknowledged for what they are, not truth.
There are prominent politicians reknown for their habits of lying.
Their lies are now accepted by their followers, as truth.

 

Well, Morrison wasnt lying when he just announced $30 million will be spent on security, protecting mosques
throughout Australia....

 

That's a very good article and well worth reading. This bit in particular is something I see here in this forum way too often:

 

The truth? What is this thing you speak of?

Truth has been distorted and abused for so long now, that we only see truth in what we want to believe. We are too weak and thin skinned to handle the truth let alone identify it or acknowledge it.

 

In my opinion this shows a complete lack of understanding of a situation. He is a goose.

This will only bolster the argument of Anning and those like him.

 

No argument from me....

 

Sorry, scarlet witch.I somehow missed this post earlier and didn't understand why you were saying in a more recent post you were scared for your daughter. So ignore my previous question if you see this beforehand

Okay, I hope this reassures you a bit. I've never heard of that Christian Broadcasting Network or whatever it called itself, but it seemed to be a mix of news articles from legit sources like AP, and a bunch of pretty silly opinion pieces. The one you posted relies heavily on the word of a British academic named David Coleman. Not only is he the founder of an anti-immigrant group, but is the president of a Eugenics society. I thought Eugenics died off with the Nazis, but apparently not.

Fear of 'invasion' by immigrants who aren't white and Christian is just as ridiculous as the old fear of 'invasion' by Vietnamese refugees or even Italians many decades ago. And the fear of our government being taken over and being turned into some caliphate? Never going to happen for pretty obvious reasons. What will happen, at least in Australia, is the vast majority of Australians will refuse to discriminate against migrants based on their race or religion, and migrants will continue to do what they've always done, which is for the most part become valuable members of our community.

I'm far, far more worried about US-style politics finding a home here, rather than Muslim migrants who mainly arrive looking for a better life and end up being our next door neighbours, work colleagues and friends

 

Well it's because it didn't, I was referring to an article on the UK, clearly you interpretation is your own. (ps. only just noticed your post prior)

I think people like yourself, ignore the fact that we are living in a democracy, this means majority rule. And in a situation like the UK in 2050 (refer article quoted earlier in the thread) that means the majority can bring in legislation to suit the majority. I don't care if everyone is green pink or orange, but I am concerned about womens rights and so far Islam has demonstrated to me that women's rights are right at the bottom of their priority list.

I am suggesting that you are not even considering this possibility, it's so far outside your scope of ideas that it has not even occurred to you.

I am suggesting that reading islamophobia and discrimination into a genuine concern about women's rights is not only wrong it's a mistake, and only serves to validate the extreme right.

 

What are these “obvious reasons”?

 

Yes, Britain is not going to become a Muslim Country. I thought that argument had been beaten a decade ago. We also have very few Christians who go to Church and get their kids baptised and so on, but the far right has as one it's propaganda tips that we are a Christian country or a Judeo Christian Country and most certainly not a Muslims one!...but I decided to check Dale Hurd the apparent author and this was what I got in response

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Broadcasting_Network

The only information I can find on Hurd comes from himself

https://about.me/dalehurd#!

He even comes from Virginia so not British. Just another Yank spreading Muslim hatred I would guess. It has been harder in the UK because we have such few Christians, and those we have tend in the main to be progressive though they have recently managed to get a Christians Unite for Israel started here. Our Jews do not want to get involved in Muslim hatred because most of them do not agree with it seeing it as a prelude to people getting started on them again...and without extremist Christians it is harder to get things rolling in the UK. Sadly a lot of this hatred of Muslims comes from the American Christian Right. and is motivated by its desires on Israel.[/quote]

 

I do have a vague recollection of learning about democracy when I studied Political Science a few years ago

No major religion has women's rights anywhere but at the bottom of their priority list. That's why religion must be kept out of government. But even if Islam did become the most popular religion in the UK for example, that doesn't translate to every Muslim voting to bring in an Islamic form of government. Technically I'm a Christian. I bet there's a lot of non-practising or non-believing Muslims out there.

Are you talking about your genuine concern about women's rights? I didn't say your views were islamophobic and if you read it that way, my apologies. I think you're wrong, and I'm pretty sure thinking you're wrong doesn't validate the extreme right, who btw are a bunch of Nazi wankers whose views can't be validated, even if they were to dance around hugging bunnies and helping little old ladies across the street in between being unpaid security for Fraser Anning

 

I gave a more detailed reply to SW a few posts down from your question...

 

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Thanks for the info on the source for that article. Yuck. What a sewer....

 

Detailed? Sh!t a brick!

Thanks for all that detail. I feel so much more informed now.

 

Recall them? Read them, it's pretty simple. Don't appreciate the "tone" of my rebuttal? Curb your accusitory tone. Let me refresh your memory ... Here in post # 3 you suggest Trump somehow shares in the responsibility, and so do Trump supporters. Ausralians need to own up to their own racism, bigotry, and extremism. Turnbull had no problem implimenting his "Operation Sovereign Borders" &"Pacific Solution" policies. Meaning the policies had wide public support. Ausralian's dehumanized muslim immigrants.

 

There is an article here about work going on to see how European Movements may have inspired him, in particular Indentitarian. This goes along with Tropes about Europe being invaded, or Britain or France or Germany being taken over by Muslims etc.

more at link https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-europe-investigates-possible-far-right-links

 

Unfortunately I think you are in denial, there are Yazidi slave heads tossed in a bin, Saudi women only just got their right to drive.

I would suggest that if Muslims don't want women's rights to be an issue, they start to address this problem instead of condemning those who are concerned about it.

YOU CANNOT compare Buddhism with Islam and say " aw well religion" they have vastly different approaches to human rights.

No I'm talking about Non- genuine concern about women's rights.... are there any other than genuine?

The current approach many has to this "down the track immigration, muslim majority" issue (not so far down the track for the UK) is as follows;

1. She'll be right mate
2. People concerned about muslim immigration becoming majority in a democracy are co -conspirators to terrorism
3. These above-mentioned people should be egged, yelled, screamed, smeared and ridiculed so that they will be quiet or not speak freely.

 

I'm declaring right here right now, that if I don't see any progress on womens rights in Islam, then this coming election I'm going to find the furtherest right politician I possible can and vote for them.

This will be my personal protest as apparently we're not allowed to speak of this.

 

Healthy debate about stuff is always good. Nothing we can't talk about.

 

PM Scott Morrison gives places of worship $55m in security grants
Australia’s religious schools and places of worship are being offered an extra $55 million in community grants to boost their security.

https://www.news.com.au/national/pm...s/news-story/fcd224da12def87502c6df7bf93b3faa

This is an extremely good move by Scott Morrison because I believe these places are going to need every penny the way things are heading.

 

Did anyone notice that recently a Catholic church in the Phillipines was bombed by islamic terrorists
and 20 worshippers were killed.
Did anyone notice that recently in Nigeria, radical muslims killed 52 Nigerian christians
and destroyed 100 homes.
Nothing said in MSM
Nothing said by the hand wringing bleeding hearts on this forum.
Everyone is criticizing the RW murderer in NZ but nothing about the above....
I suppose the Phillipines and Nigeria are outside the geographic circle we place
around Australia for mourning purposes....
Hypocrisy...plain bloody hypocrisy.....

 

Okay. Seeing how according to you I'm in denial about how horrible Muslims are, how about you explain to me how the treatment of women by Christianity gets a pass from you. Why aren't you holding individual Christians responsible and holding all Catholics responsible for the sexual abuse of children?

You still haven't explained in any coherent way how even if there were a majority of Muslims how that means they all want an Islamic state. Aren't you aware that theres secular states with Muslim majorities?

 

Speak of what? You're free to speak of whatever you want, but people are free to disagree with you. Disagreement is something Anning and his ilk dont want to have to deal with.

I tend to put a bit of thought into my vote. And I vote based on a range of issues. One of them is womens rights. Anyone who votes for extreme RW groups which are known for their misogyny isn't a supporter of women's rights at all.