Eastern Europeans making money inflaming right wing nationalis

I'm the same about healthy debate. I do think theres a tendency in some quarters to label debate as attempts to shut them up.

 

Horrible muslims... those are YOUR words, the problem is that you are converting or rather transposing my post from what I'm saying, into what you want to see....and they are two very different things.

I openly and very directly tell you exactly why I believe we need to consider the effects of a majority muslim population on our democracy, women's rights, but will add Australian culture and minority rights as well (referring the rights of other minorities including our own as we will become a minority).

You come up with, pedophiles, nothing to do with women's rights nor democracy, if you want to start comparing pedophiles then be careful what you wish for, Pakistan is in a shocking state ito sexual intercourse with street children. You don't want to go there.

The bus driver who has raped 12 little boys (and doesn't think he's done anything wrong): Why thousands of Pakistani children are falling prey to paedophiles

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/...hildren-falling-prey-vicious-paedophiles.html

Pakistan’s Hidden Shame: Documentary reveals horrors of pedophilia in K-P
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11564/pakistan-pedophilia

I think this is extremely naive ^^^^ do you really think you even need Sharia law to be affected by majority muslim rule. It's incredibly naive to think life as you know it will NOT change in dramatic ways, for example simple things like mandatory wearing of Hijab by all teenage school girls. Or Islam only facilities, shops, parks places etc for religious reasons....Covering up on beaches, swimming pools. Alcohol use.

I think it's also naive to believe that muslims will defend your "minority" rights as vigilantly as you are defending theirs.

I am in no way suggesting we are rude, or discriminate or say horrible things (like you did above) but I absolutely want us to be cautious due to the nature of our democracy. This is not a stab in the dark, the UK is well on it's way to losing their majority and their culture.

 

You dont like Muslims. It's in every sentence you type, so if you dont think that, then you might want to explain why you think that a Muslim majority equals the end of democracy.

No you didnt. You quoted some ugly opinion piece from a Eugenicist but you haven't done anything else.

You're holding all Muslims responsible for their nasties. Thats why I brought up pedophile priests. Why is it you hold Muslims to a different standard than everyone else? And why do you respond to the oedpphile priest thing

Unlike you I dont divide Australia into 'us" and Muslims. I just wish youd go out and meet some Muslins and educate yourself about the diversity amongst them. Most of them are no different to normal Australians.

p.s. according to you I said something horrible above. What was it? I'm just trying to get an idea of what registers on your scale of horrible.

 

Honestly there's nothing here ^^^ but "You this and you that". Irrelevant... doesn't provide any solutions or reasons why we should shrug our shoulders and go "she'll be right mate"

 

Go read your own posts riddled with 'you this and you that,' before throwing stones. I stand by what I said about hatred of Muslims and holding them to a different standard. If all you get out of what people are saying is She'll be right mate, then you aren't bothering to read properly.

 

Clearly you lack understanding in what I mean by the Aussie term "She'll be right mate" I am specifically referring to the lack of concern regarding losing majority rights in a democracy.

 

No. I know exactly what you meant. Hence what I said. On the other hand you cant even articulate why you think majority rights would be lost without painting Muslims as some single minded mass who all think the same way and believe the same things.

 

The Labour Party has a big issue in the UK with being blamed for antisemitism. The whole world believes it is anti-Semite and has become dramatically more so since Corbyn became leader. However statistics show that while there is some antisemitism as there is everywhere, in reality there is very little antisemitism in the Labour Party and statistics show that rather than growing since Corbyn became leader it has got less. Obviously the situation changes if you call concern about Palestinian rights antisemitism which is what is going on. That is calling the Political religious or racial prejudice.

What I have found interesting is looking at the way people of different Political views deal with this antisemitism real or not. I have noticed a difference between the way those who support concern about Palestinian rights or criticism of Israeli policy call antisemitism and those who strongly support everything Israel does. In both cases whether they are Jews or others. I notice that those seeing concern for the Palestinians as antisemitism come out with guns firing and batons beating the moment they believe they can sniff that or anything else, basically it would seem intent on character destruction. On the other hand I notice, in particular Jews who also care about the treatment of Palestinians take a different approach. They understand that not everyone knows a great deal about antismitism and it is possible through this ignorance to make mistakes. They believe more in pointing out where what the person has said is antisemitism and why it is without any attempt at character assassination. If the person then changes as most do, it is a mistake. If not then they very likely are antisemetic. I would say it is the same with what is going on against Muslims at the moment. A lot of ideas have been allowed out which simply are not true - such as for instance Britain losing its culture. This simply isn't true. Now people could buy into an argument on hearing this and believe it is true. However if they continue to say this after they have been told it is not true and that it is rather one of the major tropes used by the Identitarians/Generation Identity probably the most dangerous islamaphobic organisations in Europe then one would have to look at their motivation. In Europe this anti Muslims hatred is also spread by neo fascists. Muslims are the people it is acceptable to hate at the moment, not Jews but hatred of Jews is sniffing not far behind - ask for instance Hungarian Jews. These people with the internet allowing them to get their voice widely spread are spreading tropes which they hope will catch people and get them angry/hateful of Muslims and on side. I think if we were to take the attitude of Britain's Jews who want justice for the Palestinians, who like all Jews are completely against antisemitism but also understand people could through ignorance have bought into something they would not if they were informed, we could see that people could have done the same with the islamophobia tropes. We are human. We make mistakes. It is if people continue to try to spread these hate inspiring tropes after they have been told they are not true that it is rational to suggest a different motivation to ignorance.

 

Are the insults really necessary...is this where I egg you and yell discrimination

 

I agree, Alexa. Muslims have become the acceptable group to hate with a similar level of venom that Jews were hated in the past (and still are by many white supremacists). Theyve become the 'other' even though some are contributing far more to society than the mouth breathers who rant about MusIim invasions and becoming a majority.

 

I cant stop you from trying to label disagreement with you as insults . I've asked you a few times now to explain things you've claimed and you havent, so I'm done with trying.

 

Perhaps you can enlighten us on why islam calls for gays to be killed and jews to be killed.
I have to laugh about how Nesrine Malik has "lost her tolerance towards islamaphobes"
See post #65 from Alexa...
Apparently islam has lost tolerance towards gays and jews also...
Oh and dont forget honour killings where women are not permitted to go shopping without their husband..
there was a case in Afghanistan where the wife was murdered for being unaccompanied.
Lets not forget the woman in Jamaica who was murdered because she smiled at a non muslim...
And of course the fire where muslim women were not permitted to leave the building because they did
not have their hijabs on...they all died in the fire...
And lets not forget apostacy..in Saudi Arabia have have an app where airport officials can check with a womans husband to ascertain if her husband has given permission for her to fly..if no permission...she stays put....
Sounds like a fun place to be...this is islam...the religion you defend...
Oh and by the way this is the religion of peace...
If you want to read about it...try the war manual..the koran...and the sunnah...full of filth.....
Still havent seen an outpouring of grief for the christians murdered in Nigeria recently or the
christians killed in a catholic church bombing in the Phillipines....selective mourning I believe...

 

sw,
just the opposite should occur.
Vote as far left to have women rights further strengthened in our country, what do you expect from Morrison or the Nationals?
Not sure why you are offended.
If Muslim women want more rights, my advice for them is to keep their legs together, works all the time.
What I do agree on is that it shits me off if I see Muslim women wearing a burka or nicab.
In a civilized and developed (modern?) world is no need for this crap....
Apart from that, Muslim are as good or as bad as Christians are.
Cheers Cat

 

The Guardian's carrying some really great articles about the Christchurch terrorist attack and the radicalisation of extreme RWers.

 

I never really saw anyone in a burka until I went on a holiday to London about a decade ago. No way would I wear something like that. The hijab on the other hand, is pretty useful. I know some internet people can't tell the difference between a burka and a hijab and hate them equally, but I used to work with a Muslim woman who wore a hijab and she'd look at my frizzy out of control curly hair and offer me her hijab to deal with my bad hair day. It's tempting when my hair won't behave itself, lol

 

Even in Jordan, a secular majority Muslim state, the practice of homosexuality is prohibited by law.

You see every countries laws have been based on the predominant religious ideals. These are how laws were once thought up and drafted in the day. These days Christianity has less of an effect on our laws, but make no mistake, in Muslim nations they are still tightly tied to secular law. Then you have theocratic based nations where sharia law is practiced.

Look these are their rules and if we moved there it is on us to live by their rules. They make no excuses for it and they rarely tolerate anything that brings into question the religion of Islam. That is blasphemy and punishable, at best, by a long stint in prison.

Some nations hold women in higher esteem than others, but none hold them as equals to men. Islam does not allow this and hence there are laws that prohibit it.

I have said this before. Muslims and Christians cannot live in equilibrium, one must vastly outnumber the other for it to be reasonably peaceful in whatever particular country.

 

Keep their legs together...yeah..that'll work......
Husband has right to sex at any time
Women must keep their sexual organs ready at all times for the husband to enjoy them unhindered at any time—night or day Sahih Bukhari – 4.54.460, 7.62.81; Sahih Muslim – 8.3367, 3368; Ghazali – vol 2, p. 43 A husband has the right to have sex with his wife by force (the right to rape) Hedaya – p. 141 Muslim women are totally and completely inferior to men • 2:228 And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And God is Exalted in Power, Wise. • 2:282 get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her. • 4:11 God (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females • 4:176 They ask thee for a legal decision. Say: God directs (thus) about those who leave no descendants or ascendants as heirs. … if there are brothers and sisters, (they share), the male having twice the share of the female. 4:3 Marry of the women two, or three, or four. 4:11 Males are to inherit twice that of females. 4:14 Women have very little intelligence—their own testimony is inadmissible in rape cases; in other matters their testimony is half to that of a man Of course, Muhammad – The Prophet Of A Piece of … – as the sexual buddy of perverted depraved pimp – Allah can have unlimited sex. ONE NIGHT STAND FOR PROPHET:One night stands were free for Prophet Mohammed and were part of prophetic perks. 33.50 Mohammed, any woman who offered herself to you is halal for you. Obligation to practice this aya made logistics a big problem for our prophet who already had nine wives , his concubines , and a regular supply of captured women from jihadi raids. But Allah’s wishes had to be carried out. Bukhari,Volume 7, Book 62, Number 24: A woman came to Allah’s Apostle and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! I have come to give you myself. Bukhari,Volume 7, Book 62, Number 48: Narrated Hisham’s father: Khaula bint Hakim was one of those ladies who presented themselves to the Prophet. ‘Aisha said, “Doesn’t a lady feel ashamed for presenting herself to a man?” Bukhari,Volume 7, Book 62, Number 53: Narrated Thabit Al-Banani: “A woman came to Allah’s Apostle and presented herself to him, saying, ‘O Allah’s Apostle, have you any need for me?’ “Thereupon Anas’s daughter said, “What a shameless lady she was! Shame! Shame!” Anas said, “She was better than you; she had a liking for the Prophet. “Muhammad’s wives need to be careful. If they criticize their husband, Allah will replace them with better ones.” 66:5 After a life time of mental and physical abuse the Muslim women’s reward is to be sent to hell for all eternity. Among the inmates of Heaven women will be the minority” (Sahih Muslim 36: 6600);…….. “I (Mohammed) have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were women…[because] they are ungrateful to their husbands and they are deficient in intelligence” (Sahih Bukhari: 2:18:161; 7:62:125, 1:6:301). Those who “did wrong” will go to hell, and their wives will go to hell with them (no matter how they behaved). 37:22-23 These are called in Islam the “golden rights and provisions for all Muslim women:” The right to be treated as diseased and as sex toys The Qur’an – 2:222; Sahahi Bukhari -3.31.172 The right to be used as a sowing field The Qur’an – 2:223 The right to enjoy another husband after the third divorce from the previous husband (hilla marriage) The Qur’an – 2:230; Sahih Bukhari – 8.73.107; Sahih Bukhari – 7.63.187 The right to engage in Islamic prostitution through Mut’a marriage The Qur’an – 4:24;Sahih Bukhari – 8.3246, 3247, 3248; Sahih Muslim – 8:3252, 8:3253, 8:3258 The right to be treated as impure or as a drunkard The Qur’an – 4:32; The Qur’an – 16:92 To uphold the inalienable superiority of men over women and the right to be beaten by husbands—no questions asked The Qur’an – 16:92; Sunaan Abu Dawad – 11.2142; Abdur Rahman – 1 DOI, the recognized authority on Sharia in his book, Women in Society” To uphold the right of the husband to have four wives at any time and any number sex-slaves for all times; in case of objection by any wife, the husband can beat her The Qur’an – 4:3; Sunan Abu Dawad – 30.2.13; The Qur’an – 23:5-6, 70:29-30 The right to be treated as a dog, a pig, a monkey, or an ass Sahih Bukhari – 1.9.490, 493, 498 Sahih Muslim – 4.1039; Sunaan Abu Dawud – 11.2155; Mishkat ul-Masabih – vol 2, p.114, Hadis no. 789 The right of ordinary women to be treated as crows Ghazali – vol 2, p. 34 The right of a Muslimah to be stupid and to become a servant Sahih Bukhari – 1.6.301; Ghazali – vol 2, p. 34 Muslim women forfeit their right to travel alone Sahih Bukhari – 2.20.192, 193; Sahih Bukhari – 3.29.85, 4.52.250 Abdur Rahman 1 Doi, the recognized authority on Sharia in his book, “Women in Society Women must keep their sexual organs ready at all times for the husband to enjoy them unhindered at any time—night or day Sahih Bukhari – 4.54.460, 7.62.81; Sahih Muslim – 8.3367, 3368; Ghazali – vol 2, p. 43 Women have the right to breast-feed an unrelated bearded man to make him haram (forbidden to her in marriage) Sahih Muslim – 8.3424, 3425, 3426, 3427, 3428 Women are slaves (prisoners) and men are their masters (owners) Ghazali – vol 2, p. 33; Hedaya – p. 47 Islamic marriage is about sex for money (prostitution) Sunaan Abu Dawud – 11.2105, 2.11,2106; Milik’s Muwatta – 28.4.12; Sunaan Abu Dawud – 11.2126; Hedaya – p. 44 If a woman wishes to get rid of her tyrannical husband she must refund the ‘sex money’ (Mahr) she received from him during marriage Sahih Muslim – 7.63.197, 198, 199; Sunaan Abu Dawud – 12,2220; Malik’s Muwatta – 29.10.32 Women have the right to undergo female circumcision (FGM) Sunaan Abu Dawud – 41.5251Women are slaves and infidels—they are not fit to join the moral police force Ghazali – vol 2, p.186 A husband has the right to have sex with his wife by force (the right to rape) Hedaya – p. 141 Women are cheap—you can have sex with a woman by simply teaching her how to recite a few verses from the Qur’an Sahih Buhkari – 6.61.547, 548; Ghazali – vol 2, 31 Barren women should be confined at home—they are fit only to be in the house-prison Ghazali – vol 2, p. 24; Sunaan Abu Dawud – 3.29.3911 A woman has no say when her husband decides to add more wives in his harem; she can’t even ask her husband to divorce her Sahih Bukhari – p. 141 A wife has the right to decorate her husband when he goes out to have sex with his other wives Sahih Bukhari – 1.5.270 A woman should never be selected or elected as a ruler Sahih Bukhari – 5.59.709; Ghazali – vol 2, p. 34 Muslim women uphold the right of Islamic Jihadists to rape captive women right in front of their vanquished husbandsThe Qur’an – 4:24; Sahih Muslim – 8.3371, 3373, 3374, 3377; Sunaan Abu Dawud – 2.11.2150, 8.77.598Women are devils; they are as dirty and filt
hy as private parts are
Sahih Muslim – 8.3240, 3242; Ghazali – vol 2, p. 26, vol 2, p. 43

Fear the company of women—they bring bad luck
Sahih Bukhari – 7.62.30, 31; Bukhari – 4.52.110, 111;
Malik’s Muwatta – 54.821, 22; Sahih Muslim – 36.6603. 6604;
Ghazali – vol 3, p. 86, 87

Women have very little intelligence—their own testimony is inadmissible in rape cases; in other matters their testimony is half to that of a man
The Qur’an – 4:14, 2:282; Sunaan Abu Dawud – 3.40.4662

Women are less human—they get one-third of blood money, no booty (for Jihad) for them
Malik’s Muwatta – 43.64b; Sahih Muslim – 19.4458

Women are worse than dead persons—they cannot follow a bier
Sahih Muslim – 4.2039

Men should always oppose women
Ghazali – vol 2, p. 34

Women are easily expendable—a divorced woman gets no maintenance or alimony from her ex-husband
Sahih Muslim – 9.3519, 3522

A woman has the right to stay at home solely to provide sex to her husband
Hedaya – p. 54

A woman becomes a harlot when she wears perfume
Mishkat al-Masabih – vol 2, p. 255

 

And it was only legal across all of Australia since the 1990s. If the religious types had their way, it'd still be illegal and there would have been so vote on same-sex marriage.

Across the world, there's about 70-80 countries where homosexuality is still illegal. And not all of them are majority Muslim countries. Papua New Guinea and Russia with their laws against 'promoting' homosexuality comes to mind. What applies to each and every one of them is that they're all dicks and need to legalise homosexuality.

The thing is that many people who are technically Christian aren't religious at all and can live just fine with everyone as long as they're not trying to slam their stupid religion down everyone else's throats (yes I'm looking at you, Mormons!). In a secular country like Australia or New Zealand, nationality is far more important as self-identification than what religion a person is.

 

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) rights in Queensland have advanced significantly from the late 20th century onwards, in line with national progress on the issue. Private consensual sex between men has been legal in the state since 1991, with lesbian sexual acts never criminalised.[
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Queensland

In 1994, the Commonwealth passed the Human Rights (Sexual Conduct) Act 1994 – Section 4, legalising sexual activity between consenting adults (in private) throughout Australia. It wasn't until 1997 however when the law in Tasmania prohibiting gay male sexual conduct was repealed in Tasmania.
LGBT history in Australia - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › LGBT_...
@Violet_Crumble , I posted across you, sorry.

 

Post 65 from alexa

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This is all you two got from my post. Really?

We are in trouble.

 

Only recently that nuns stopped wearing their veils.

 

And I did like it

 

What else were we supposed to have gotten from it?

 

https://www.nola.com/politics/2016/06/10_countries_where_homosexuali.html
I think its common knowledge that muslim clerics worldwide recommend death for gays...however that is conveniently overlooked by many...
I noticed that no-one wants to talk about honour killings and apostacy...oh well...perhaps another time...