Eastern Europeans making money inflaming right wing nationalis

This isn't true. The ME apparently offered sanctuary to many who were escaping death in Britain and other countries for being homosexual. A UK Iman wrote an article on this and how traditionally being gay was accepted as part of life there and there was apparently even a handsome gay waiter waiting on the steps to take them up to heaven or something. I did some research once on countries which have heavy rules against gays and to a T it depended on who had colonised them. Those who had been colonised by Britain, with the exception of South Africa gave the strongest sanctions, either the death penalty or another harsh punishment or were open to this regardless of whether they were Christian or Muslim. Within the ME if you go to Lebanon which was colonised by France which did not have the death penalty but was against gays, you will find they are able to gather together in clubs and what not. A few years ago someone who knew the area intimately thought they would officially be legal soon - but of course people have had more demanding things than that to think about. Also of course you must take into account t the Sauds who introduced a demonic form of Islam and with the support of the US have been spreading that about the world and funding terrorist groups which will apply it. Bad luck for the Saud's after Al Qaeda they decided the Saud's were no good and so started terrorism in Saudi Arabia. The Government hence no longer funds or supports funding of them, though many in Saudi Arabia still do.

 

An oldie but a goodie, and very relevent right now

Man Already Knows Everything He Needs To Know About Muslims

SALINA, KS—Local man Scott Gentries told reporters Wednesday that his deliberately limited grasp of Islamic history and culture was still more than sufficient to shape his views of the entire Muslim world.

Gentries, 48, said he had absolutely no interest in exposing himself to further knowledge of Islamic civilization or putting his sweeping opinions into a broader context of any kind, and confirmed he was "perfectly happy" to make a handful of emotionally charged words the basis of his mistrust toward all members of the world's second-largest religion.


"I learned all that really matters about the Muslim faith on 9/11," Gentries said in reference to the terrorist attacks on the United States undertaken by 19 of Islam's approximately 1.6 billion practitioners. "What more do I need to know to stigmatize Muslims everywhere as inherently violent radicals?"

"And now they want to build a mosque at Ground Zero," continued Gentries, eliminating any distinction between the 9/11 hijackers and Muslims in general. "No, I won't examine the accuracy of that statement, but yes, I will allow myself to be outraged by it and use it as evidence of these people's universal callousness toward Americans who lost loved ones when the Twin Towers fell."

"Even though I am not one of those people," he added.

When told that the proposed "Ground Zero mosque" is actually a community center two blocks north of the site that would include, in addition to a public prayer space, a 500-seat auditorium, a restaurant, and athletic facilities, Gentries shook his head and said, "I know all I'm going to let myself know."

Gentries explained that it "didn't take long" to find out as much about the tenets of Islam as he needed to. He said he knew Muslims stoned their women for committing adultery, trained for terrorist attacks at fundamentalist madrassas, and believed in jihad, which Gentries described as the thing they used to justify killing infidels.

"All Muslims are at war with America, and I will resist any attempt to challenge that assertion with potentially illuminating facts," said Gentries, who threatened to leave the room if presented with the number of Muslims who live peacefully in the United States, serve in the country's armed forces, or were victims themselves of the 9/11 attacks. "Period."

"If you don't believe me, wait until they put your wife in a burka," Gentries continued in reference to the face-and-body-covering worn by a small minority of Muslim women and banned in the universities of Turkey, Tunisia, and Syria. "Or worse, a rape camp. That's right: For reasons I am content being totally unable to articulate, I am choosing to associate Muslims with rape camps."

Over the past decade, Gentries said he has taken pains to avoid personal interactions or media that might have the potential to compromise his point of view. He told reporters that the closest he had come to confronting a contrary standpoint was tuning in to the first few seconds of an interview with a moderate Muslim cleric before hastily turning off the television.

"I almost gave in and listened to that guy defend Islam with words I didn't want to hear," Gentries said. "But then I remembered how much easier it is to live in a world of black-and-white in which I can assign the label of 'other' to someone and use him as a vessel for all my fears and insecurities."

Added Gentries, "That really put things back into perspective."

https://local.theonion.com/man-already-knows-everything-he-needs-to-know-about-mus-1819571716

 

My point is you can’t have a majority muslim state, albeit secular or theocratic, that does not base their laws on the preachings of Islam. These so called states do not exist.

So as a women you should fear Australia being a majority Muslim state. Granted it will not happen in my time, and even though you are younger than I it will not happen in your time, but it is possible that in the future this may happen. This is the way of Islam, it is written. There is no tolerance of other religions under a majority Islamic religion.

If you doubt me, walk down the main street of Kirachi in a bikini. If that is too difficult head to Saudi Arabia and preach the love of Jesus.

Let us all know how you go.

 

Why should we expect other countries to be as tolerant as we are( or claim to be)?
Do you have the same opinion of the repression in authoritarian China?

 

What about countries like Turkey and Albania?

 

Excuse my ignorance but what is the ME?

And did they or did they not give sanctuary?

Sorry but APPARENTLY one day Queen Elizabeth farted!

We have Imams here that also preach tolerance, and they are held very highly by CHRISTIANS.

What is your point of British Colonisation and Islam? Are you suggesting that the Poms influenced parts of Islamic doctrine? How powerful the mighty Britania.

Goodness me!

 

The Middle East....

 

Sally if you read my post prior to this one you would see that I made that exact point.

My views on China are well known on this forum.

 

I'm kind of reasonably new and not up on what everyone's views on things are, but I wanted to veer off on a tangent and mention that since I had two Chinese students come to live with me, I've learnt a lot about China. One of the students lent me a book called 'Life and Death in Shanghai' which she said is banned in China, and it's the autobiography of a woman who was imprisoned for years during the Cultural Revolution. I never learnt about Chinese history and it was all a big eye-opener for me....

 

Are you sure about these two countries. Remember Turkey has committed genocide on Kurds. What about Pastor Brunson? Charged and held for two years with Christianisation. Turkey is not a good example.

I will however give you Albania. Indonesia is still reasonable but eroding fast. Malaysia is getting worse but the christians hold the wealth and control the military. This won’t continue long term however. Just by sheer weight of numbers.

 

The Middle East

certainly as I have already said according to that iman. The UK had the death penalty for being gay until 1861 in England and Wales and 1887 in Scotland

You apparently know little about Islam. Did you know that until WW1 about half of the Muslims of the ME at lease included Sufism in their practice.,

You also seem to have a very short memory scan. So far you answer things which apparently you failed to read. I said and research shows that how countries in the ME and Africa view homosexuality is shown to have a strong correlation to who colonised them. Those who were colonised by the UK, with the exception of South Africa, having the strongest punishments regardless of whether they are Christian or Muslim. American Neo cons and Christian Right have been meddling in Africa, trying to get them to introduce the death penalty for homosexuality and telling them that the Progressive Christians who are there suggesting equal rights, are in reality neo imperialists trying to get them to accept gays. They tell them there are no such beings as gays except in the West. They are demons and progressive Christians are trying to get them to let them in and destroy their countries.

Australia brought the death penalty from Britain with them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_law#Australia

 

Eastern Europeans know the horrors of socialist scourge better than anyone

 

I am sure there is many other stories as well. Now I no longer have to visit there for work I speak a little more freely.

The cultural revolution destroyed religion and faith in China, recent years has seen a tolerance, but not for Islam.

China is an extroadinary country with an incredible story.

 

Can you post the links to this research on British Colonisation, homosexuality and how it has Influenced Islam. I would like to show my Pakistani friend and get his take on it.

 

So whats your opinion of apostacy and honour killings.....

 

I think our points were different.
You said that a majority Muslim state would base its laws in Islam
And I said that we wouldn't expect that they'll be the same as us.
Similar though.

I think that Muslims who migrate here are looking for a different life from the one they left.
Why would you shift if life at home is good?

The Muslims (Bosnians) I worked with assimilated as did the Turks.
Ditto Indonesians.

 

Let me guess the British brought that with them

 

I dont expect an answer...

 

Sally I totally agree. And I love that we can provide that.

We can provide this because we all support the rights and freedoms to follow your faith, but what happens if our country becomes 70% Islamic, like Indonesia for instance? Remember Indonesia wasn’t always predominantly Muslim.

Indonesia’s laws, even though secular in nature, are underwritten by the Islamic faith. Even in this sedate Islamic country it is dangerous for a Christian to refer to the prophet in a flippant manor.

They will always change their laws to reflect their faith. I have no problems with them doing this, I just don’t want that for me and mine.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree on the likelihood of Australian culture being subsumed by Muslim culture.

 

Fair enough. Many agreed to disagree on the world being anything but flat as well.

For what it’s worth neither of us will see the answer.

 

First, here is the man I was talking about,.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/may/05/whatswrongwithbeinggayand

Here is another article on how homoseuality though not sodomy used to be widely accepted in Iran and what led to this changing. As sodomy would presumably be acted out in private I do not believe it would be a problem. In the UK we used to believe and some still do that if people were gay they practised sodomy though this has never been the case for all gays.

Conservative values I would think coming from the Saud's the people who the US have been supporting and helping to spread their version far and wide resulting in a massive reduction in suffism.

https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/06/06/how-homosexuality-became-a-crime-in-the-middle-east

You may also be interested in this

On the US Christian Rights attempt to bring the death penalty to gays in Africa

Uganda Anti-Homosexual Bill Inspired by American Evangelicals

Why Africa is the most homophobic continent

With respect to your Pakistani Friend, this may be more appropriate regarding laws on homosexuality
https://www.hrw.org/report/2008/12/17/alien-legacy/origins-sodomy-laws-british-colonialism

From Colonization to the Subjugation of the LGBT Community


How Britain’s colonial legacy still affects LGBT politics around the world


By the way the problem with Islam in Pakistan is due to it being taken over by Wahhabism. Prior to that it was completely different.

Next time you want information for your friend, I suggest you do a search yourself.

 

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I think Cat, you are missing the point and that is that women's rights in other muslim countries are lacking... (and that is putting it mildly). My concern is therefore not women's rights as they are in Australia today, but what they could potentially be tomorrow.

 

Violet, I have put my case forward as clear as day... over and over again. I can't make you understand.