Eating TOO LITTLE Salt May Cause Heart Attacks

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  1. longknife

    longknife New Member

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    [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Damn! What the heck are we supposed to believe? We hear time after time that eating salt is bad for you. Now comes this:[/FONT]


    [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Eating too LITTLE salt may INCREASE your risk of a heart attack or stroke, claims controversial new research[/FONT]


    [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Long-held that high-salt diet increases the risk of heart attack and stroke[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Dramatic U-turn as new study suggests low-salt intake has same effect[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]WHO expert tells of 'disbelief' at study as he blasts the 'bad science'[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]WHO recommends people eat between 5 and 6g of salt each day[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]But, average person consumes twice that, eating 9 to 12g per day [/FONT]


    [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]I'm about to throw my hands up in the air and ignore every single bit of dietary advise that come along.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...controversial-new-research.html#ixzz49JVUvtI3[/FONT]
     
  2. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You only need to ignore dietary advice (or anything for that matter) that comes from tabloid trash "news"papers. They spin this crap to generate exactly the kind of reaction you've given because it gets them attention (which is the only thing they care about).
     
  3. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    Here's a tip from a CDM, unless there are replicating studies that interest the critical and clinical eye of a substantial subset of ADA, ignore the study completely.
     
  4. btthegreat

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    Hyponatremia ( too little sodium for too much water in blood and tissues) can be very serious and indeed can cause heart problems, but this is rarely a result of too little consumption in the diet.

    There are three kinds:

    1. Hypervolemic hyponatremia ( both have cycled out of control, with too much sodium leading to too much fluid retention in a cycle, but the ratio of water is higher when the bloodwork is done) this is usually about CHF, renal failure or cirrhosis. We are talking severe edema or ascites.

    2. Euvolemic hyponatremia ( lots of water volume but no edema) this is about an abnormal increase in a hormone that regulates kidney function. This is usually caused by specific infections or cancers or as a side effect of prescribed drugs. Diet changes does not cause it, but temporary diet changes can stop some of its worse affects on the brain and nervous system.

    3. Hypovolemic hyponatremia ( lots of sodium loss, with some but less water loss) This is the kind we normally see, and it is rarely chronic. We are talking lots of vomiting and/ or diarrhea depleting both, but out of whack with decrease oral intake exacerbating same. That's when we are heading for an IV solution to replenish supplies.

    Th amount of sodium intake we need per day is less than 1500 mg and the maximum recommended is 2300 mg per day. Most of us get 3000 without ever touching a salt shaker. Its real hard to get too little sodium in the American diet if you are healthy.
     
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    I agree with you.
     
  6. AlphaOmega

    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It means someone needed money for research. Wine is bad, no wait its good, red meat is good no wait its bad, carbs are bad wait no they hood, eggs are bad no wait one a day will save your life. Seems the human body likes everything in moderation.
     
  7. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not usually the case in my experience. It's generally either vested interests (trade bodies etc.) creating "research" then sending press releases to tabloids who print them pretty much verbatim (because it's cheap copy) or legitimate research misrepresented by the tabloids to spin up a eye-catching headline (often fed by some political motivated organisation).
     
  8. waltky

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    Uncle Ferd out back...
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    ... tryin' to catch a lil' birdie...
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    ... by puttin' salt on his tail.
    :wink:
     
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    I have always eaten a lot of salt. I always thought it was too much. My doctor told me my sodium was low and to eat more. I told her I would like a little food with my salt. All my life people told me I took in too much.
     
  10. btthegreat

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    I think you should document your food choices for a week with the sodium content on the ingredient list , and make another appointment with your doctor. You are doing to ask him why your body is not regulating the electrolyte balance better on its own. Ask for a thyroid test and a lipid panel as well. Hypothyroidism correlates with hyponatremia as does high levels of triglycerides. Besides. if even if it was a fluke finding on one electrolyte test ( actually rather likely), these are good tests to do anyway.
     
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    Eggs, butter, salt etc etc. All the scientists say they kill you one day and the next day all the scientists say nevermind. There's a lesson here.
     
  12. longknife

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    Isn't there some kind of difference about which kind of sodium you intake?
     
  13. AboveAlpha

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    You know the problem is that a person who cannot take in too much Sodium is a person who has so neglected their body that they put themselves in that position to begin with!!

    If a person eats right and exercises and is not over indulging in alcohol or drugs and does not smoke to excess there is really nothing a person can't eat or drink unless they are allergic.

    The things everyone needs to stay away from is any food that is made of or has in it superfine machine milled flour.

    The Human body cannot process superfine flour and it turns directly into artery clogging cholesterol.

    Another fallacy is that butter, dairy, eggs and meat is bad for you.

    IT IS NOT!!

    In fact the cholesterol in meats, dairy, eggs, butter...etc....DOES NOT BECOME ARTERY CLOGGING CHOLESTEROL....as the cholesterol in food is not what clogs one up!

    What does create that artery clogging cholesterol?

    #1. Superfine Machine Milled Flours be they wheat or rye or corn...etc.

    #2. Hydrogenated ANYTHING!!!

    #3. High Fructose ANYTHING!!!

    #4. Drinking too much fruit juice.

    #5. Eating too much fruit.

    #6. Drinking Cream based alcohol.

    #7. Eating too much potatoes.

    #8. Eating too much pasta.

    #9. NOT HAVING AT LEAST 2 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES A DAY....such as 2 wines, 2 shots....etc....p.s...My Great Aunt had at MINIMUM 2 shots of Canadian Mist every day until she dies at the ripe age of 111.

    #10. NOT GETTING OFF YOUR ASS AND DOING SOMETHING PHYSICAL!!!


    If a person want's to diet and they have a near impossible time following the diet then I suggest they ask their Doctor if they are physically fit enough to place their body in a state of KETOSIS.

    If a person eats only protein, fats and no carbs for about 3 days....it is a day variable depending upon the person...the Human Body goes into a state known as KETOSIS.

    Ketosis is when the human body is burning only the protein and fat in it's stomach and because the person has not eaten any Carbs of any kind for 3 days the human bodies metabolism will double and in some people triple.

    When this happens the human body will begin to burn the stored fat on the body and not burn the muscle.

    I have done this and after 3 days when my body went into Ketosis I began to have strong feels of euphoria and I was not hungry at all but a person must continue to eat the protein and fats.

    The last time I did this was after I was shot in the field and I had put on 35 lbs as my normal weight is 235 to 240 and I am currently 238 and that is all muscle.

    I ballooned up to 270 and for me being 6 foot 2 inches and muscular you really would not noticed the extra 35 lbs as muscle is much heavier than fat but I NOTICED as I run daily and that extra 35 lbs was KILLING ME!! LOL!!

    Once I placed my body in a state of Ketosis I added a very small amount of carbs in the form of spinach, romaine, Swiss chard....and a person can have all the butter they want on top of this and all the meat they want but no bread....no condiments...no steak sauce...etc.

    After the first week I had lost 12 lbs and much of that was water weight so I made sure to drink a lot of water daily.

    Also a person should take a multivitamin DAILY such as like a Centrum.

    When you are in this your body metabolism is so ramped up that you burn calories just sitting down!!

    Within 8 weeks I had lost all the weight and as at that time I was not yet cleared to run as I was still recovering from the battle.....I continued to eat only things like steak, chicken, fish, pork, ham.....and then have a salad using olive oil and a small amount of lemon but on this diet a person can have all the dairy based dressing they want as long as IT IS NOT LOW FAT!!!

    Low Fat ANYTHING is extremely bad for the human body because they replace the fat with CARBS!!

    You can eat all the yogurt, eggs, butter, meats, green leafy lettuce, dairy, olive oil, shrimp, shell fish...etc...you want!!

    But you CANNOT eat bread, potatoes, pasta, fruits, fruit juices, anything labeled low fat...etc.

    After the beginning of the 1900's when people began to eat a lot of candy and use sugar there was very little in the way of tooth decay or heart disease.

    People would eat meat and eat whole grain bread as whole grain bread is not made out of the superfine machine milled flour that turns into artery blocking cholesterol.

    But as people began to use sugar and eat candy and start eating superfine flour based foods like pasta...etc....well that's when people started losing their teeth and getting strokes and heart attacks.

    AA
     
  14. longknife

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    You are right about exercising. But, it's WHAT kind of exercising you do.

    I have a swimming pool where I live and I should be in it every day exercising. That's why we rented it in the first place.

    However, it has not done me one bit of good because the landlord will not install a railing for the steps so I can enter and exit it.

    We have two treadmills but no room to set them up in inside the house for the scorching summer months.

    As much as I've fallen lately, my cane has regressed to a walker so that is probably the only way I'm going to exercise.

    It's hell to get old and fat. :wall:
     
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    Swimming would be excellent for you and as a Master SCUBA Diver I swim 1 miles one or two times a week in the winter and now 3 times a week.

    It is low impact and swimming allows a person to exercise complete free range of motion.

    I have a pool but I go to our local Boys and Girls Club as they have a 100 Meter Pool and this way I know how many laps I need to swim to cover a mile.

    If you walk or can walk you should walk on a grass or cinder track.

    DO NOT WALK ON THE STREET OR SIDEWALK if you have joint issues.

    You should also consider after you get going and after a month using light weights strapped on to your ankles.

    Strength Training is EVERYTHING if you want to rehab as it allows your muscles to compensate for joint damage and structural mechanics issues.

    AA
     
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    Sometimes Granny takes a pill her doctor give her for when her goiter gets her...
    :grandma:
    Do You Really Have Hypothyroidism?
    March 3, 2017 - Up to 15 percent of adults over age 65 have hypothyroidism—an underactive thyroid. This occurs when the butterfly-shaped thyroid gland at the front of the neck produces too little thyroid hormone (thyroxine, or T4) and can slow a wide variety of essential body processes, including your heart rate and metabolism.
     
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    Throw away the table salt and start using an unrefined salt. I use Himalayan salt.

    Two things about unrefined salt. One, it still has all the accompanying minerals. Secondly, it is supposed to not lead to fluid retention as table salt can.

    Along with switching to an unrefined salt, take a supplement of silica every day. It aids in mineral absorption. Bamboo extract is a good source. My wife takes it. Personally, I take diatomaceous earth to get my silica but some people don't want to eat 'dirt' (it's not really dirt btw).
     
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    I had it about 8 years ago and felt cold and sluggish all the time like a cold-blooded reptile and for two pins would have basked on warm rocks along the seafront.
    After blood tests my doctor said it was only borderline and wouldn't treat it, and said "See if it clears up on its own".
    After some months it still hadn't cleared up so I researched it on the net and it seems the thyroid might not like fluoride, so I switched to fluoride-free toothpaste which seemed to help.
    I also started eating grapefruits now and again because I think they contain something that the thyroid likes, and they helped too, until eventually I started feeling warm again and have been alright ever since, touch wood. Maybe going fluoride-free and eating grapefruit had an effect or it might have been coincidence, I don't know..:)
     
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    Granny tells possum to eat his spinach so's he'll be strong like Popeye...
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    Human Heart Cells Grown on Spinach Leaves
    March 27, 2017 - Spinach is known as a super food for its nutritional value, but a new experiment reveals another power of the green leaf.
     
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    Do you sweat a great deal?
    In Vietnam, we were given salt tablets. I hated them, as they'd sit in your stomach and burn - but learned the hard way why we were given them:
    On a typically hot day, sweating profusely, I suddenly felt chilly, weak, and woozy. I was told "Heat Prostration" and they gave me a couple bags of saline solution in IV.
     
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    It's difficult to avoid sodium & salt especially if one takes in processed foods. I think it makes sense to monitor one's sodium intake. Just look at the labels. One thing you can do If you eat canned veggies, rinse them before eating.....it won't remove all the salt but it will cut it down. As with everything, moderation is the key.
     
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    Salt needs to have iodine in it...
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    Lack of Iodized Salt Causes ‘Serious Public Health Problem’ in Cambodia
    April 08, 2017 — When Arnaud Laillou, a nutrition specialist with UNICEF, led a salt iodization study in 2014, he wanted to be sure that salt producers were not adding too much iodine.
    See also:

    Iodized salt made Americans smarter: Study
    July 25, 2013 - Iodine appears to have made Americans smarter, the Daily Mail reports.
     

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