Effective Ukrainian Partisan Attacks on Russian Forces

Yeh. America is better. It's the best country to live in. I live there.

How is that relevant? It doesn't change the fact that we don't actually care about Ukranians. The military industrial complex is getting rich. And politicians are fueling the war and prolonging it.

If you cared purely about about the humanitarian aspect, you'd want the war to end as quickly as possible. Irregardless of who wins. The less deaths the better.

Ukraine under Russia wouldn't be dissimilar to Ukraine prior to 2014. People pretend otherwise. And they use moral blackmail while they prolong the war, creating greater Ukranian casualties.

They then cry about children in Ukraine while turning a blind eye to 200× more children dying in Yemen from starvation alone. You guys don't actually care about dying children. Otherwise you'd be clamoring for intervention in Yemen with greater vigor than you do with Ukraine.

 

No. You are making the claim that we are not morally consistent. You cant make the claim that we do not care about Ukrainian people. I'd say the majoirty of Americans want Russia to **** off. I see it more in the broader scope of geopolitical struggle for global dominance of which I would prefer western culture and governance to stay on top.

And I think Russia should **** off.

 

Why do you and others keep prattlings about the so called "military industrial complex"

1) Do you have any actual evidence that military suppliers are "getting rich"? and remember just the fact that the U.S. spends so much on our military compared to the rest of the world is NOT evidence. Remember that the U.S. has overseas military committments that dwarf those of all the other countries in the world combined.

 

Fine. The U.S. should intervene in Yemen and crush the Saudi forces being used there.

Satisfied?

 

At the very least it will make all the people who cry about Ukraine and begging for intervention not seem like they're full of ****

 

Obviously war makes them rich. Because they make the weapons that our government buys to give away

What did we buy for Ukraine? Like 20 billion dollars worth of arms?

 

Exactly. And all the neocons who run this country think the same. The reason for US involvement isn't for humanitarian purposes. But regional dominance. Which is the same as Russia

So yeh. This isn't about humanitarianism. Its about dominance. We want a Ukranian to retain a pro western government that we helped install and legitimized in 2014. Russia wants want a pro Russian government that it had pre 2014.


Fact is. US has less to do with Ukraine than Russia. So if you want to make an argument that Russia should stay out of Ukraine because they have nothing to do with it, then you should agree that US should stay out of the conflict because it has nothing to do with it.


The argument that we must do something because after Ukraine, Russia will go further west and attack NATO member. Starting a nuclear war which will result in mutual destruction is an absurd one

 

We are not involved in Ukraine. Everything we do we do as support. We give arms. So? We offer training. So? We are not directly involved in any way. And when I say "we" I'm saying NATO as a collective unit of which its members over there have an interest with Ukraine and Russia.

I don't think it's a bad thing that we allow Ukraine the ability to defend itself rather then watching it get conquered.

And warm up fella. We are gonna be getting involved in Taiwan as well. South Korea? Yup! We are going to get involved.

We tried your method in both Georgia and Crimea and all that did was get us here.

 

Nah. Biden will roll over on Taiwan. Biden has benefited far too much from China. And they practically control our entertainment industry. Plus they probably have dirt on him an his son. I could imagine them installing secret cameras.

 

If anything, Biden and Pelosi have been far more aggressive regarding Taiwan then Trump was. And Trump was rightfully pissy with all things China related.

If you are under some delusion that as China gains in global strength that there isn't going to be a confrontation down the road...must be nice to live in blissful ignorance.

Our very strength invites challenge. So warm up to it. It's going to happen.

 

Anyone who has not been in a coma since 1972 knows that the ChiCOMS have aimed at Pacific rim domination.

 

Not sure what gave you that impression?

 

LOL good one and good to see someone with a sense of humor which psychologists say is a sign of above average intelligence.

 

Most American defense spending is NOT spent on weapons. If you did a few seconds of research rather than preaching you would know that.

 

Let's define what the military industrial complex is first

"military-industrial complex, network of individuals and institutions involved in the production of weapons and military technologies. The military-industrial complex in a country typically attempts to marshal political support for continued or increased military spending by the national government."




Yeh. The largest chunk (286 billion dollars) goes to operations and maintenance. The other largest chunk goes to the military industry.

But Im not talking about the 700+ billion dollars that America spends on defense every year. I'm talking about 20 billion dollars worth of weapons given to Ukraine

 

Would you rather the U.S. or its allies had to go fight the Russians?

 

What price freedom?

 

I prefer that we don't stick our noses in other people's conflicts when it doesn't effect us. And instead of sending billions to Ukraine, we should spend that money here. To actually help fellow Americans.

 

You do know that allowing aggressors to have their way in Europe is what got us World War Two don't you?

 

Like I mentioned previously, this is not about freedom. It's about regional dominance. Ukraine pre 2014 under a pro Russian regime was just as free if not more so than Ukraine after 2014.

This is not about freedom. If we really cared about freedom, we'd be in other places where freedom is an actual issue.

Like tons of countries in Africa where warlords burn down villages and commit actual ethnic cleansing and genocides.

5 genocides that are still going on today
https://www.businessinsider.com/genocides-still-going-on-today-bosnia-2017-11

If we cared so much about freedom, we and our mass media wouldn't be so friendly with China. They wouldn't call people racist for calling Covid19 the Wuhan Flu. Because China isn't a race. We wouldn't be so friendly with Saudi Arabia. Pakistan. Turkey. Etc. Etc

It's not about freedom. But regional dominance. People might accuse Russia of trying to rule through conquest. But America rules through puppet regimes that it installs after military actions.

The effect is the same. Regional dominance. Except in the latter example, you can wear a false veil of virtue and say that you haven't conquered anyone. Even though in practice, the effect is the same.


Bottom line, there are plenty of countries less free than Ukraine was under a pro Russian government. We care for none of them like we care for Ukraine. Or Maybe we actually care about freedom?
But only for white people.

 

If you honestly think that after beating down Ukraine, Russia will target NATO members next. Starting WW3, and mutually destroy himself along with NATO in a nuclear Holocaust, I don't know what to say to you. Like yeh. "Putin is suicidal."

 

So basically you're saying that if we can't fight aggression EVERYWHERE that we shouldn't fight it ANYWHERE?

That's stupid. It's like saying just because a police officer can't fight all crime occurring that he shouldn't bother with crimes occurring right in front of him.

 

And why wouldn't he simply assume he could snap up the Baltic countries if we aren't willing to oppose him seizing a far more valuable prize (Ukraine)?

 

No. That's not what I'm saying.

If there are bunch of countries worse than Ukraine was under A pro russian government, and you still remained friendly with them; then it's a bald faced lie to then suddenly say that you care about freedom when it concerns a country that's at conflict with your regional rival. Suddenly crying about freedom. It's moral blackmail. That's all it is.

In this context only a fool would think that it's actually about freedom. The really objective is similar to Afghanistan. To bleed Russia. At that time too, US said that our support for the Mujahadeen was about freedom. History says ototherwise. Yet people keep parroting the same lie that has been proven to be a lie. Time and time again. With each and every attempt to "spread democracy". Since world War 2, US killed 20-30 million people "spreading democracy" to countries that never asked for it. Most ended up worse for it. What price freedom. Lol

Like I said. Ukraine pre 2014, under a pro Russian government was just as free as Ukraine was post 2014.

 

that was eight years ago.

And what's wrong with "bleeding Russia"?