Egypt strikes 'terrorist camps' in Libya in response to attack on Coptic Christians

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  1. Margot2

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    I think the 9-11 report comes pretty close. It was a small, closely held conspiracy.. and its possible that the muscle on board didn't know it was a suicide mission... just the pilots. I also think they succeeded beyond their wildest imagination.

    Remember .. that there had been many hijackings for ransom over the decades but not suicide missions.
     
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    I have found the moment you make anything too easy everyone wants everything easier.
    The one that comes to mind is my amateur radio licence, something I had to do two tests for (one written, one CW) but then came CB.
    America is what CB is to amateur radio.
     
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    Agreed. The majority on board could well have been unaware of the plan.
    However, there are still a lot of holes in the story that have yet to be explained.
     
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    Like what? Can you think of something off hand?
     
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    Why was a passport found after but the bodies and most of the aircraft was burnt to smoke?
    Why are there no photos of an aircraft at the Pentagon?
    Why did the building collapse vertically when there was so much structural damage to one side?
    Why did WTC 7 collapse when other closer buildings did not and why did the news of the collapse get reported before it fell?

    That little lot and a lot more is for another thread but it answers your question.
     
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    Our educational system is worthless, a massive fraud that serves those it employs, while it churns out students ill equipped for the work force saddle with a mountain of debt. It should be focused on explaining the American experiment in personal sovereignty, limited government personal finance, the danger of debt and the importance of self-reliance that allows one to both not be a burden to, but a help, to others.

    But back to the Egyptians and their recognition that the Dirty Jihadists attacked THEIR Copt Christians, that's important and we don't see enough of that in the Islamic Middle East. The Christian and Jewish populations, throughout the Middle East have been decimated by rise of Islamic Fascism that began less than fifty years ago. But, I saw excitement after Trump's visit, in the eyes of the Saudi Leader, the Egyptian Leader and in Bibi, I think something big is afoot. Something that will reduce tension in the Jewish Arab relationship that allows them to jointly focus on the rising threat in Iran.

    Given that the trip started in Saudi Arabia, my guess is that The Saudi Peace Initiative, put forward in 2002, and re-endorsed in the 2007 and 2017 Arab league Summit was given new life. Clearly these Arab Leaders felt Trump heard and, and more importantly, listened to them.

    Just prior to Trump's likely historic trip, we saw this:
    "Gulf States Offer Normalizing Israel Ties in Exchange for Partial Freeze on Settlements." This is the first time the Gulf states showed flexibility.

    Then in King Salman’s remarks at end of Trump’s visit he said,

    “We stress that achieving peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis is a just and necessary quest that requires joint sacrifices and sincere determination for the interest of all.”

    And as Trump was departing KSA and before Trump’s arrival in Israel, , the Israeli Cabinet approved a series of gestures at the request of Trump:

    The measures approved earlier on Sunday include extended opening hours at the Allenby Crossing, new industrial zones for the PA, and increased Palestinian Arab construction in Area C. Israel will determine the nature of the construction, be it agricultural, industrial or residential.”

    Even Abbas moved toward cooperation. Mahmoud Abbas is now proposing to accept Israel keeping 6.5% of the territories rather than only 1.9% originally on offer. This means that Israel gets to keep Ariel, Maaleh Adumin, and Gush Etzion.

    Arutz Sheva reported a few days ago:

    “… Olmert had offered to compensate the Arabs with Israeli land equivalent to 5.8 percent of Judea and Samaria, along with a link to the Gaza Strip. The rejected offer also included placing Jerusalem’s Old City under international control.

    “This time however, Jerusalem, the most controversial aspect of previous discussions, is not mentioned in the proposal that Abbas is allegedly meant to discuss with Trump during his visit
    .”

    Trump avoided any mention of Palestine, settlements or occupation, the issues that kill all discussions. Rather than pushing for a final peace agreement, he instead is looking simply for some cooperation so that the coalition of Israel and the moderate Arab states together with the U.S. can focus on terrorism and Iran. If the Arabs know anything as they view the rising threat of Iran, they know damn well that the Israelis can fight. Here is a world class fighting force, with cutting edge equipment, as well as a nuclear deterrent, right in their back yard that has no territorial designs on them.

    Kushner and Greenblatt has been tasked by Trump with relaunching the peace process: “We are planning to move fast in starting a diplomatic process in order to reach a deal.” Greenblatt will be returning to Israel in a few days for follow up discussions with all sides.

    Something like this could be in the works:

    - Israel gets to build in eastern Jerusalem and in all settlement blocks and the Arabs get to build in parts of Area C.

    - Jerusalem will remain under Israel’s jurisdiction.

    - The PA and Israel will have the same rights in A, B, C as they now have in the Oslo Accords.

    - Security will continue to be a joint enterprise. The IDF will remain in the territories. This is good for Israel and good for the Palestinians.

    - Saudi Arabia will normalize relations with Israel who will continue to improve the Palestinian economy with the help of the US.

    This tracks well with Netanyahu’s five point plan that he was pushing in 2016.

    Israel National news reported on Friday, May 26, 2017,

    “According to Channel 10 News, in meetings held this week, Americans discussed with Israel elements of a potential final agreement with the PA. The Israelis made it clear to the Americans that Israel cannot compromise when it comes to security arrangements in the final agreement.

    “The Americans are reportedly not satisfied with the measures towards the PA that were approved by the Cabinet this week, and want to see more confidence-building measures. The administration gave Israel a list of proposals for such additional measures, including what was reported on Channel 10 News earlier this week: A move which would redefine sections of Area C in northern Samaria as Area B.”

    We'll see, but movement soon would not surprise me.
     
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    Trump is an ass. The Saudi Peace initiative has been on the table since 2002.. .. and you didn't see anything in King Salman's eyes.
     
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    !5 Saudis.
    2 UAE
    1 Egypt
    1 Lebonan
     
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    There is only one Islamic Caliphate and they are taking up arms against infidels.
     
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    I fully expected the buildings to collapse straight down immediately after they were hit. They weren't knocked over, they had their spines cut.

    There are lots of photos of aircraft debris at the Pentagon that couldn't have gotten to the site without large flatbed trucks and a crew with forklifts and/or cranes.

    Can't say why WTC7 collapsed, but numerous fires within the building were reported before the collapse.
     
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    6 of the highjackers used fake IDs to get US visas. We don't know their names or nationality. They could have been Saudis.
     
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    The Arabs have rejected a new Caliphate since 1924.. ISIS is a terrorist outfit with no standing in the Muslim world.
     
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    Who is funding them? What banks are facilitating the payments? Who is supplying them? Where are they getting their food, weapons, resupply, and medical treatment? Who financially backs their global recruitment program and social media presence? Who supplies the IT, the hardware and keeps the firewalls maintained?
     
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    ISIS has committed a number of bank robberies, kidnapping for ransom, extortion.. They also take "checkpoint" money.. I think their oil revenues dried up since the RAF bombed the Omar oilfields.
     
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    ISIS is a brand or a tag; largely indistinguishable ideologically from the other groups which the US and its allies support more or less openly.

    Incidentally, a rather detailed report on who has been funding and supporting the various extremist terrorist groups which have plunged the region in mayhem and chaos can be found below.


    http://harpers.org/archive/2016/01/a-special-relationship/

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    December 21, 2015:
    A Special Relationship
    The United States is teaming up with Al Qaeda, again
     
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    It's no secret Obama started arming terrorists.
     
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    It started before Obama and the main contours of the policy were laid out by the neocons under Bush. Indeed, Obama was simply following their script, even if he was a more reluctant warrior than the true faithful to the cause.
    P.S.
    US is continuing the same under Trump.
     
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    Obama was more of a "kill innocent people from drones" kind of guy. He even expanded Bush's drone program.
     
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    Yeah, Obama came to office on the wave of opposition to direct US involvement in the wake of the Iraq war and preferred the dirty work to be done either through drones or through proxies for the most part. But the real contours of the policy was under Bush, in alliance with Israel and Wahhabi Arabia dubbed the Redirection. The special interest groups who had pushed that policy, pushed it on Obama as well, with Hillary a major spokesperson for them. Even Trump is continuing the script, although he wanted to enlist Russia to join a modified script and found opposition to that endeavor among certain factions among the neocons who didn't want to give up the Russian bogey.
     
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    Russia should be more involved, and we should be less involved.
     
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    That was the Trump "plan" and what drove much of the "sandals" revolving around Trump and the Russians. But the real fight is not and was never about ISIS but about Iran. The entire policy was driven by a desire to drive wedge between Russia and Iran and pave the way for going after Iran.
    Right now, the US has dramatically increased military supplies to so-called "rebels" (aka as terrorist with the same ideology and affiliations as Al Queda et al) to thwart the advance of Syrian forces trying to clear the areas next to the Iraqi border from ISIS.
     
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    Actually ISIS has made a mockery of Islam....
     
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    Except for the millions of Arabs who support ISIS.
     
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    You make the most outrageous statements.. and you have no evidence. Its basically lies and hate speech.
     

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