Egyptian army slaughters protestors

I really want to know how objective you are. The answers to your questions are self evident.

 

The most important thing people should not forget is that tyranny leads to resistance in millions, leads to mass organisation and that to the end of a population's freedom.

 

I have no idea because I dont watch Fox news but know it has a bad reputation already

When something is happening live I am watching all angles.

The army came under attack from the minaret then fired back in self defence.
Obviously there were ikhwan gunmen in the mosque.

The 2 gunmen on 15th May bridge then Ahmed shot dead in his balcony watching them

too many things happening not reported correctly : (

 

did you not hear the presser today where the spokesman put USA and Taliban in same sentence? does this sound like a government begging for US aid?

US Aid is 1/4 of what Egypt spends buying military hardware from USA so you would lose that contract first of all.

Second more important point is these US war games for everyone all over the place!!!

That is only the USA doing like a opening of our warehouse stocks to buy our latest weapons show.

See what we have, waste some of yours playing war games with us then you pay us to replenish your stocks you used. It's big business!!!!

Here is what would suffer if you stopped aid not to mention Suez and airflight priviledges and keep in mind your dear friends in Israel would also be big time losers

Here are the top 10 American corporations profiting from Egypt's military

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/...0-american-corporations-egypt-military-us-aid

 

Egyptian policemen killed inside their police station by muslim Brotherhood *Graphic

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=582_1376536302

From what I understand the perps then hid in the mosque.

 

come back when you have a clue what is going on if you want to discuss Egypt with Egyptians or Caireines

It's would be like me trying to argue with you about what was happening in your street from my salon sofa

 

I have been and haven't seen what you say. If you make claims, you should answer the questions required to support them. If not, we can forget your claims. Go ahead and try coming up with some answers. Why not? Are you stumped?

Start with the first one and work your way down.

It was reported by AFP.

"AFP reported that police managed to drag several men out of the building in the confusion. Those men were then confronted with angry neighbourhood residents who attacked them with sticks and iron bars."

So why were you asking me for video if you already know this? So explain why if the police were trying to help these people, why did they deliver them to the angry mob for a beating?

Who cares? People get beaten and killed while the wounded are dying inside, how is free drinks significant, or news at all?

Argue the facts okay. We're not quibbling over who watches what news. If you want to claim I'm being mislead, prove it with debate, not complaints.

It's your job to defend your claims and answer the obvious questions they prompt. People refuse questions when they can't come up with an answer that doesn't undermine their claim.

 

yes these are the peaceful unarmed ikhwan darlings we are supposed to love!!

Every day of watching Ikhwan makes Assad stronger because he and gaddaffi were right . We are all fighting terrorists supported by terrorists.

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it's not my job to do anything and if you want me to respond then show me the footage or move on

by the way AFP were quoting Al Jazeera who lost link half way through and kept repeating previous footage for a while till it came back but of course you wouldn't know that if just reading AFP

so I am waiting for the Al Jazeera footage of the iron bars beating the ikhwan from you..................tick tock

 

Come back to me when you want to debate in a civilized way instead of posting condescension and personal attacks.

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I told you I don't have footage, it was reported by the AFP. If you want to discard it because you have no video than fine, discard that part. There's still plenty more for you there.

Ironically, I find it curious that you demand I pony up a video while you claim you have no job or obligations, and don't even feel you need to support your own claims.

 

so you have no footage

We needs facts in this courtroom not Al Jazeera mubasher

Verdict - Not guilty

 

All contact was cut of with the mosque while it was being mainly emptied, a bit like the Israeli's with the MM flotilla. That may be why you cannot get footage. They would need to rely on what the people said.

 

That's odd, considering they have all you guys stumped!

 

still not seeing any iron bars or sticks beating them





I'm not even seeing any shib shibs are you?

 

I can't find footage as my internet won't allow video. Any video I see is on the TV. I provided a textual citation from AFP. But if that's not good enough for you, then fine. Throw out that part.

But it was only ONE of MULTIPLE arguments behind my claim. So you want to cherrypick one part, which I can prove with a reputable news source, but since that isn't good enough for you, you want to discard EVERYTHING and think that trumps everything, and then sit here and feign victory! You have copped out.

 

ah this must be the man Al Jazeera were talking about but seems the rest of the residents and police have him under control


WOW!!! you are really arguing about this for so long!!!!

You would see worse things in your own city every night my friend so lets keep things in context and not get all hasbara about it

 

Maybe this is a different .0001 second still image from the many many hours the siege lasted for. Plus this is in daylight. The siege lasted all through the night.

So are AFP not trustworthy then? Are they lying?

What about the journalist who was arrested by police and claims to have beaten by iron bars. Is he lying too?

 

you really are at a disadvantage then

you expect to debate and challenge me on Egypt when all you have to go on is your media and no access to U tube or video footage

seriously!

 

are you serious? are you American by any chance because that might explain it

What journalist? what is his name?

Is it Matt Bradley who ikhwan were tweeting he was captured and beaten by army till he sms his reporter friends saying he was fine and eating sandwiches with army and saying he was being treated so well by them

that one?


seriously I would hate to have you as my defence lawyer in a court!!!

you come up with nothing

 

Not enough of a disadvantage that I couldn't still make you take a seat.

You copped out of the debate. You can't come up with your proof, replies or answers, and you can't discuss the facts and issues, instead only appeal to your location fallacy and quibbling over who has access to what news and who watches what.

 

You sit there and claim it's not your job to answer the questions about your arguments, yet have the audacity to ask questions to me? Even in my post you just quoted, you bolded my question and didn't even answer it!

Debate is a two way street. Go back and answer my questions and I'll answer yours.

And I asked you nicely to stop the personal attacks. Please cut it out.

 

I find it funny how Abu-Sina supports the police who target and kill cameramen, and yet demands video footage to prove bad behavior of those police!

If the Wednesday response was reasonable, why would the police kill the cameramen? That is one of the many brainteasers that has this crowd stumped.

 

or the ikhwans footage on their mobiles as it was happening uploaded to u tube surely

I mean every Egyptian has one or more cell phones so there must be at least 700 videos being shot of the police storming it after the shooter started shooting from minaret at army

where are they? show me them

Omaima must have some excellent footage!

 

What I find funnier is you trying to have a debate with no evidence after I asked you many times

let me help you

My uncle worked for BBC Arabic service in London for many years then became Cairo bureau chief of another major international and he always said 'never believe anything unless you witness it with your own eyes, you will find no media in the world that is not biased to one side'

That is why I am asking over and over for footage to comment on and so far you have come to me with nothing except words.

I ask again

You want to debate so show me footage or links to it if your internet service is limited package not words from Agence France Presse or move on and stop making excuses after excuses

It's very clear what I am saying here. Even you must understand the words I am saying and why surely.

 

Allah works in misterious ways... Look how Abu stopped writing pro Islamist posts about the Israeli/Arab conflict, to a 180 digrees change.
At last Islamists understand that they have to deal with the REAL PROBLEMS in Syria and Egypt.

 

Godly Muslim farmers went to the Coptic priest and stayed with him and with other Christians guarding the village church!

Wageeh Mikhail
Evangelical Theological Seminary in Cairo