Egyptian army slaughters protestors

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  1. happy fun dude

    happy fun dude New Member

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    The police target and kill cameramen, so footage is hard to come by.

    And don't sit here and lie and say I showed no evidence. I did. It just wasn't good enough for you.

    Like I said, if the text-based source is not good enough for you, then discard that part. There are PLENTY of other arguments for you to address, which you refuse. You think you can cherry pick one thing out of many, and even though I have a source, it's not good enough for you because it's not video, so you think you can therefore DISMISS EVERYTHING ELSE as well and then feign victory. BTW, YOU were the first one between us who couldn't put up or shut up, not me. After a couple pages of you refusing to put up or shut up, you're now complaining I didn't because what I put up wasn't up to your standards.

    And AFP is Associated Free Press.
     
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    Does that pose a bit of a conundrum for US of AIPAC Congressmen whose only real interest in the coup is in continuing to bribe the Egyptian army for the sake of ' Israel's security ' ? We'll see if they will descend into breaking their own laws in their groveling to neoZionism.


    It would take a bare-faced liar to stand here and claim that the US of AIPAC's chief concerns are democratic and humanitarian when the entire world can see that those concerns do not stretch beyond support for the military-industrial complex and bloody Israel.
     
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    There are Sharia family/civil courts here too Abu

    Too westerners who only think of stonings and so on in connection with Sharia it seems dreadful and there was a big out roar about having Sharia Law here at the time. Well one of the Courts busiest and best Lawyers is a woman and most woman choose Sharia over British family Courts but still most here are ignorant of that fact.

    Thank you again :)
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    With connection to what was being discussed earlier the Guardian provides a good article not failing to mention Abu's point though it was difficult for reporters to confirm due to being arrested. (see article) Talking of camera men or reporters our reporter Patric Kingsley was arrested twice one of them after having been taken away and beaten and stolen from. - again see article

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/17/egypt-cairo-mosque-muslim-brotherhood

    I was listening from the night before. There is no question that the people in the mosque were terrified, terrified of the 'thugs'* outside and terrified of the army. When shots were fired at it they were just screaming and helpless but this was not at Abu suggests an attempt to set up another protest camp. Many people were stuck there who had absolutely nothing to do with the MB and were simply at prayers till casualties were brought in on Friday.. The Egyptian Government itself has said that most of the people killed on Friday were killed by Egyptian civilians. The 'thugs'* outside shouting that they were going to kill them and what not were notice, allowed to do this, they were not removed by the police for security and they were allowed to stay there all night through curfew to do this. That is why the people were afraid to come out. It also suggests the law is not for everyone.

    No one seems to know whether the gun fire from the minaret came from MB or came from Egyptian Snipers in plain clothes as has often been the case.

    * Thugs is how the people in the mosque describe the civilians outside waiting to harm them.
     
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    Yet Abu-Sina claimed the police tried to stop these residents! I asked him what they did to stop them, but this is one of the many answers he doesn't have. He can't even mention a single thing thing they did to stop them, so we can assume he can't meet his own standard of providing video footage of police doing anything to stop them. They had no trouble breaking up MASSIVE encampments with brutal oppression.. But the thugs outside the mosque? Nope.

    He can't answer why police prevent and stifle journalism and documentation of events with arrests, brutality, even lethal force. But people with cameras have a bulls-eye on their back, yet Abu-Sina DEMANDS video evidence! While he can't even type the evidence for his own claims!

    And the USA shows the usual hypocricy. "Assad must go" they say as they support AQ to take him down. Because he has been being violent. Yet the Egyptian military "government" police have slaughtered hundreds in days and they get a finger-wag, we'll put pressure on them, deciding to "remind and encourage* " while giving them weapons still.

    *must have been a Freudian slip? Probably he meant "discourage".
     
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    First of all, you would expect retaliation against police after they went on an armed offensive. You start a fight, don't whine about your wounds.

    Secondly, have you got any proof they were killed by Muslim Brotherhood?
     
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    And the AFP is owned by whom? .............follow the trail.


    I have long realized that we can't just take the Mass Medias word for anything for it is the mouth piece of The Establishment and there are no more Independent Reports within the Mass Media, not anywhere. Terry Lloyd ring any bells?

    We are Empire and the Egyptians are miss behaving but ........remember Suez? It was the last stick which finally broke the back of the British Empire ( with a little help from US freezing our monies ) I think it very well might be the last stick to break the American Empires back too.

    We can no longer keep whole peoples down by fear, get over it, what Egypt is now fighting is of our doing, when Mubaraks rod no longer worked we counted on that old Opium called religion, that it is so painful for them to free themselves from our manipulations is terribly terribly sad bur how caould we expect it not to be and how can we expect every one to behave like angels on either side of the divide? Have you ever seen protests get out of hand? Scarry (*)(*)(*)(*) and no one knows how they will react, not on any side.

    Who the hell are we to judge others is all that keeps coming to my mind .........................
     
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    As Marlowe posted and Abu agreed with this is also a battle withing The Arab biggies who also give Egypt plenty pennies ............It is very possible that our friend the USA and us and your dear Israel will be pushed aside for maybe finally Arabia and North Africa will take their Power into their own hands and maybe even also let their people free.



    Aaaaand whilst peoples we have kept from living their own lives for so long free themselves from our manipulative clutches maybe we should try a bit of that too? How about we look to Solar power for instance? No Corperates stealing our few pennies every bloody month as it keeps one half of the Planet in as much misery as poss just so that we can keep warm and have light and ect. and they get rich by every means poss always at the very expensive cost at others. Whole generations, hundreds of years of generations ....................... let us all move on and chuck out the parasites who suck the blood of all of our children ...................... No not Jooooos, all of them.
     
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    It doesn't matter. What's an example of dishonesty to ruin their credibility?

    Pro-"government" supporters don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to challenging or demanding sources, because the police thugs they support have been ruthlessly suppressing journalism. Why? Will you be the first to attempt an answer to that question?

    America won't be getting involved, other than continuing to give free weapons to the brutal "government". That won't break the camel's back nor did it for the UK. What did do it for the UK, and what will do it for the USA, is the ineveitable future fatal failure of the fiat funny-money funds which fall apart.

    And yet that's exactly what the Egypt "government" are trying to do!

    Hundreds of innocents are being massacred. Who exactly are you expecting to "get over it"?

    Yes, and this one didn't. It was peaceful, until the brutal "government" decided to start their Tienamen Square campaign. And don't blame the West, because the "government" were the ones to try to start a war by orchestrating a blood bath.

    It's either that or overlook and condone atrocities. Everybody judges. Plus we're on a debate forum, so I can't imagine how anybody can get by here without judging somebody or other.
     
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    The Sauds and the US of AIPAC are in lockstep. Neither wants a democratic Saudi Arabia and Washington/Tel Aviv are terrified of muslim democracy anywhere.
     
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    It's curious how SO MANY people, including the USA officials, go on about how we can't let brutal Islamic law oppress people, and they are even condoning slaughter of hundreds by the Egyptian military "government", and yet nobody does anything, or dares say a word, about the most brutal theocratic dictatorship in the world, Saudi Arabia, the second worst place for freedom and human rights in the world, beneath North Korea. And they even support or champion the destruction of a secular Syria and the takeover of the country by the most brutal Muslim extremists in the world including AQ.
     
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    Don't forget the brutal regime of ' our close ally ', Bahrain.
     
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    Well, right then .........you know best all so simple eh? Nice and simple eh? Goodies to the right and baddies to the left mmmm you can tell the baddies by the uniform mmm even easier.

    A complex and old civilization in a nut shell. Police baddies, basta! 'cos my TV ( brain washing machine) told me so

    Fine you stick to your Empire whilst Egypt tries to extricate its self somewhat from its clutches ................... And who the (*)(*)(*)(*) are we to condemn and scream out atrocities !!!!!! .......Jesus.

    It is sad, it is just so so sad but I cannot I just cannot condemn those who do not want to live under an Inquisitional Goverment, democracy be damned!
     
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    Exactly .......take it from there and follow your thoughts ,,,,,they are free ya know. They are all we have until they pump us full of pills.
     
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    The only thing you can blame the US in is pushing the Democratic idea to places it dont belong, it demanded a Palestinian democracy and we got two dictatorships, Syrian "democracy" - either secular or religous dictatorships, Egypt - as Abu Sina told you, Democracy comes 2nd or 3rd....on a good day.
     
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    But the USA can do nothing .................... we don't know what is going to happen this my dear has become organic. I believe in the Egyptians and as hard as it is after a life time of it being dashed over and over and over I am beginning to allow a flicker of hope back into my heart of stone :)
     
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    Its' own form of democracy and too soon. Nothing wrong with democracy but its' form must be evolved out of the peoples of that Land. It was that chance that was denied Egypt.
     
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    Yep.. And another notable example, the biggest example, the foremost recipient of US welfare, Israel. The USA even ADMITS the Israeli settlements are illegitimate, but that won't stop us supporting them!
     
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    I said ' muslum democracy '. I'm not talking about the cash-fed crap that passes for ' democracy ' in the US of AIPAC nor the racist bollox evident in Israel.
     
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    Don't bother quoting questions you refuse to answer. NOBODY can answer the most basic questions. Probably because the answer they know in their heart is an uncomfortable confession, and so have to avoid and deflect and refuse to answer, like a politician during a press conference.

    All you guys can do is attack the poster and not the message, and whine about the media (and yet the Egyptian police hamstring the media with lethal force).. Yeah the media coverage is (*)(*)(*)(*), cuz police kill the cameramen. If the TV is brainwashing, what do you call shooting the cameraman? And who are we to judge? You have no problem judging me and mis-characterizing me!

    What democracy? Are you suggesting the military coup was democratic? They overthrew a democratically elected government! Then launched an inquisition against peaceful protestors! Of course, that provoked a bit of armed response in self-defense; what else would one expect?
     
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    What's "Muslim Democracy" ?
     
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    Diego Garcia, Burma ? All our business though a little better hidden.
     
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    Closed ~ Surpassed post capacity.
     
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